come on, guys. everyone knows that subtlety including the characters 'Z4' in the design was brilliant.
I count 7 different line directions just in that view. There are probably a couple more if we look down from the top. Wow, that is certainly cohesive... To something I guess. If you draw enough lines they will eventually line up with something. This is the same reason a lot of people think Hyundai designs are also busy.
I doubt he was fiered as the 7 series did record numbers even though TCL hated it.
I have to admit I didnt like the 7 rear end or the dame edna 5 series headlights when they debuted.
Now I miss them as the the 7 and 5 are both el-blando.
Now BMW is trying to bank on the 6 series sedan for those who want something stylish.
I will own a V10 M5 someday
I agree with whoever said it earlier, with Bangle's designs some win and some lose. I don't even think the ones that lose are entirely bad designs, they just contain certain elements that are undesirable.
The best thing I have learned about BMW design in my own perception is that it may not always click with everyone or myself initially, but as time goes on it's design ages well and I appreciate their appearance the more I look at them.
Take the tail fins off a 59 caddy and the design falls apart.
Whatever you think of the outcome of his work, he is by far the most well known designer in automotive history.
I don't know of any other car designer with name recognition like he does. Which, I think, is his own personal victory, because his work has created quite the conversation, and probably will continue long after he's gone too.
"What's that loud, boring sound you'll hear when I stop talking?"
"It's an albino humping worm!"
"Why do they call it that?"
"Because it doesn't have any pigment."
Good for you to those who love all the lines on the Z4. To me it just looks busy and ugly. I rather prefer S2000 or Boxster of the same year.
To me, this is the last great BMW design. No stupid lines, no flames, no weird butt... just clean timeless design.
Edit: Just as someone above mentioned, 2nd gen Z4 (E89) look SO MUCH better mainly because all those weird line are gone.
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and those are just off the top of my head. The automotive blog-forum world has talked about him a lot but he's not exactly a household name.
the Z4 would have looked much better without the Z on the side. I always wondered what one would look like with a paintjob like a 1960 corvette:
Mustang ownership: cruising at 1500 RPM: oops time to upshift!
Bangle's work wasn't meant to be elegant, it was meant to be dynamic and unsettling. He takes his inspiration from Constructivist art. I don't like all of his designs but they changed the tastes of a generation and contemporary BMWs seem quite tame in comparison.
"You see, I am for the great loves and the great hates."
Maybe i missed it already mentioned, but here's what Wiki has to say about the Z4 design(er):
"The first-generation of BMW Z4 was designed by Danish BMW-designer Anders Warming for Silas Acosta by request. Warming's design was controversial, as were many BMW designs of the time produced under the watch of BMW chief designer Chris Bangle."
I also love the hips / ledges produced by the Bangle-butt of the hatch.
and i'm happy to have a car with polarizing design; at least people will have an opinion about it!
A fork with its tines at all different angles is still a fork; but it's a ****ty fork, and therefore, ugly.
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That is possibly my favourite design of the last decade.
Where as the TT et al have become static and dated this still looks exceptionally fresh. The lines are taught and crisp.
The interior is also to die for - simple, focused and uncomplicated.
Just compare it to Mercedes, Lexus and Audi from circa 2004 and it is still fresh.
If it makes you feel better, you can substitute FD RX7 or C2 Corvette in my sentance.
It's a pretty unique design, but also timeless in my opinion. I love how the fenders just blend into the side of the car, which is quite unusual. Most cars have the headlamps under the hood and don't have any flat surface to the top of the fender.
My counter-question to the thread title: Was there another, more influential car designer in the previous decade? What people think of the cars aside, for the first decade of this century I can't name a car designer that influenced the industry more. That's not to say there weren't other great designs at the time - imo, Audi had a better run last decade - but none as influential.
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As a LONG time BMW fan, and started working for them back in 1997, I will say, Bangle ruined these cars. I can see it from the design standpoint, with the lines and intersections and curves, but its not my, and apparently a lot of other peoples cups of tea. Art appreciation is in the eye of the beholder.
Henrik Fisker (yes, THAT Fisker) designed the Z8, not Bangle
Bangle did not design the E39 (which in my, and a lot of other people opinions is the best BMW ever made from a design, performance, and reliability standpoint) even though he was with the company during its final development, it was penned by a Japanese named designer who escapes me and I'm too lazy to look.
Bangle did NOT get fired, but parted ways to pursue other area's of design. Whether or not he was handed his resignation letter he "forgot to sign" will forever be anyones guess.
Bangle DID make the ugly duckling E65 and E60. Those were his babies.
The E90, like the others (Z4, 1er, E70, etc) all have the same design characteristics, albeit a bit more muted on the 3er since it was the bread and butter car. I will say, my E92 coupe is probably one of the best looking cars BMW has put out.
Bangle was IMO a visionary, in his own mind, and was able to somehow sell the idea of radical design elements to a rather conservative German car company. I was never a fan, glad he is gone, and hope his understudy that took over dials it back. As far as the other manufactures using the same elements, of course. It has been the automotive way since, well, forever. Like tail fins, it will die out.
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Actually if they smoothed out that crease, the overall design would be more cohesive.
Bangle stirred up automotive styling and that's a good thing. BMW must have felt that they were in a styling rut and needed to transform in order to attract new customers. Interestingly, the newer post-Bangle designs are much more conservative with far fewer egregious examples of flame surfacing. BMW must have felt the designs were too risky and dialed things back.
The E65 had everybody rushing to copy it Benz which seemed to be the king of the D-class sedan even Mercedes had to steal something from it with its nearly identical column shift.
The current LS460 has a little of the chunkiness on the sideview which resembles the E65.
The E65 was the king of the D-class for a while now with the new return to bmw blandness, it looks like Jaguar is the stylish way to go.