07/08 TL Type S is one of the best looking sport sedans ever made. Who designed that and where are they now?
I think this will be the dream car among Asian ladies in Toronto... And I think Acura should be GLAD that it will become a Jetta competitor because NO ONE buy Audi A3 and Volvo S40 around here. Lexus CT is doing ok.
Acura, don't be like Saab and think their car can compete with Mercedes and BMW. See where they end up now...
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For some reason the first time I watched that video I thought they guy said a 201 hp 2.0 liter as in 8000rpm redline, guess I misheard
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That said, im not sure why everyones panties are in a bunch. The majority of you would never buy an Acura, let alone an ILX. The car isn't bad, and relative to where the CT & A3 fall price wise...its cheaper. If this were a rebadged Civic like the TSX is a rebadged Accord...i would understand. But thats not really the case. the ILX is longer, wider, and lower then a Civic.
Is it a homerun? not at all...not without the new engines which are at least 1 my away. But untill then, if great lease programs carry the ilx like they do with many great selling luxury cars...it shouldnt sell any less then the TSX does. And for those of you who want a TSX...it will still be around for a while...as the ilx is not a TSX replacement.
With the Germans it's about marketing and brand positioning. 250/300/350 are a good spread in terms of providing the right feeling & are in the sweet spot when it comes to 'size' (how big the numbers are) and provide a status that the new engines would not (naming wise). Luxury car drivers don't want a C180 - sounds too cheap. Also, the Germans have traditionally used the top engine from the lower model as the base engine on the next level up, which helps in providing continuity to the brand.
It will sell well. Not sure if anyone's sat in an Acura lately, but the interiors and materials are darn nice. I had really preferred the TL SH-AWD's interior over my Infiniti. It looks like the pricing will be similar to a Jetta TDI, so for those looking for MPG's this will be a competitive choice based on the luxury aspect. I have no doubt it will be a nicer interior than the Jetta.
The nice thing about Acuras in general, is it's a ton of car for the price. Short of nav and other advanced tech bits (that you get with the tech package), they come standard with most options you're hung out to pay for with the other premium brands. Auto dim rearview's and side mirrors, bluetooth, heated seats, Xenons (and great ones at that), etc. all standard on the TSX. For a car you can get for under $300/month that's a hell of a deal.
Acura is not class leading in most categories (especially in performance), but when actually sitting down and figuring out the purchase price / financing they are an excellent deal for a great interior and pretty good driving dynamics.
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It isn't just a rebadged Civic. Compared to the Civic it is/has
- Dual Climate
- More HP and Torque than standard Civic in Automatic format
- More Sound deadening
- Better interior
- Different Exterior, I think better
- Upgraded suspension
- Quicker steering
Since none of us has driven it, it is difficult to say whether this is enough but I could see people like my wife wanting one (buying a car in the next 6-9 months). Partly for the Acura name and the reliability with the 11 year old Accord she has. Getting her to look at a Buick isn't going to happen.
I see much more then dual climate and an Acura badge going for it. The ILDX will likely be one of the most if not thee most refined compact on the market. Smooth suspension, and over 10DB quiter cabin then a Civic...which means it will be even quieter then a Verano. It also gets better fuel economy then a Verano 35mpg vs 32mpg. the more powerfull 2.4L 6MT is right up there at 31MPG. .....and this is with the Old Archaic engines which are being replaced very soon.
Add great dealer service, loaner cars, honda reliability, acura warranty, very high resale value (making cost of ownership low) and then look at what Audi & Lexus offer in this segment...and the ILX doesnt look bad at all. Especially in a few months when Acura puts out great lease programs for the car.
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No, not really. You are just a disgruntled former CR-Z owner...and thats pretty obvious with any post you make in any honda or acura related thread. You find things to nit pick about. Its really that simple.
And if you are really scratching your head, wondering why Acura is offering the ILX....i dont know what to tell yah buddy. That said, im puzzled as to why you arnt bashing cars like the A3 or the Lexus CT? They cost more then similiar cars from non luxury brands and in base trims offer less features.
Thanks. Meanwhile I'd paint a generic stroke and call you a Honda/Acura nut buster.
Lexus CT is a premium hybrid with a hybrid system that suits real world drivers better than Honda. The Honda assist hybrid system seems nice until you consider the fact you can get the same improved MPGs and low end torque from a diesel. But since I don't think we will see a diesel A3 or A4 anytime soon then Honda will be alone in offering what may be a fun to drive hybrid compact luxury sedan.... for the very small market of buyers who care about that.
Honda/Acura deserves nit picking else how will the brand improve if all we do is sing praise and buy up any crap with a badge.
I understand exactly why Honda wants the ILX. Get young buyers in the family early and keep them there. Fine by me, but I have nothing good to say about these buyers. I'll wait for real test reviews to continue on that. Reviews so far don't sound very promising however.
The ILX is good enough. Ok. Acceptable. Where is the pride in such a car. Forgive me for being critical of a car that is just plain ok.
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The Lexus is a premium hatchback with great fuel economy. For less money i can go buy a VW Golf TDi which gets better highway mileage real world and offers more features for less money then the starting price of a CT. Very similiar to the argument you make as to why the ILX sucks. That said, the CT offers the same over the Golf that an ILX will offer over compacts from non luxury brands.
It is 100% fine to critisize a car. but to critisize one car, yet praise another which can be critisized for the exact same things make you look like a disgruntled honda hater. Someone whos opinion i would take with a grain of salt. Having not sat in an ILX or driven one along with its competition....lets just leave it at that.
Lastly, there is no pride in such a car. But then again, i don't see pride in any entry level luxyr car. They are just that.....a cheap entry level car. Pride i see in flagship and halo cars...as well as cars that are the best of the best amongst their competitors...but today...there are not cars that are the best of the best, regardless of brand. They all do soemthing better then the next. They are all best at one thing but not at another. Many are a jack of all trades, master of none.
such a lack of originality on the TCL, every thread involving acura requires rule 1: posting of a blue type-s TL, some comment about going downhill and how (insert your favorite up and coming automaker) is out to eat its lunch. In this thread it appears to be the verano.