I hope Saab figures out the parts situation soon

[Gus Polinski]

Personally, I've not been affected. I've been able to source OEM parts from various online sites as well as a few dealers around the country. However, when I see a story like this, it makes me sad. Insurance totaled this guy's beautiful Turbo X, one of the first delivered, because not all the replacement parts could be sourced.





http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=231109

However, another member in the same thread was able to get his Turbo X repaired, so it's hit or miss. I don't think things will end well if I ever have a fender bender

[pentaxshooter]

I've always wanted a Turbo X

[zhenya00]

Sad, but we've known this was coming for a long time. Insurance rates must be going through the roof for newer Saabs?

[Gus Polinski]

Sad, but we've known this was coming for a long time. Insurance rates must be going through the roof for newer Saabs?

I have no account of rates on the new models. However, full coverage on my SC is less than my wife's Caddy and less than the Honda it replaced.

[2.0T_Convert]

Really......

Because I thought parts for models like the 9-3 were supposed to be easily available and the Saab parts business still steaming strong even without the brand

[Boogety Boogety]

If it was my car (no possible chance I'd ever sully my garage with another Saab, because I have much better sense, but I digress, so go with it), and if it was totaled, I'd fall to my knees and thank my preferred deity, snatch the check out of the adjuster's hand, run-not-walk out of the office, and go buy me a real car with the money... Why, especially now, would anyone keep a Saab? This situation will just keep getting worse and worse and worse for owners...

[Gus Polinski]

Bankruptcy proceedings are still ongoing and last Monday was the last day for suitors to submit their bids. That said, I think there is still hope for the parts pipeline. But it's the "meantime" that blows for current owners

[2VWatatime]

Personally, I've not been affected. I've been able to source OEM parts from various online sites as well as a few dealers around the country. However, when I see a story like this, it makes me sad. Insurance totaled this guy's beautiful Turbo X, one of the first delivered, because not all the replacement parts could be sourced.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=231109

However, another member in the same thread was able to get his Turbo X repaired, so it's hit or miss. I don't think things will end well if I ever have a fender bender

After reading thru that I'm guessing there's more to the story... FWIW, a neighbor succumbed (heh) and actually bought a new SAAB this spring. I know, it's Fairfax County and all that, but he paid just over 50% of MSRP (I've seen the paperwork) and his insurance (SF) seemed OK w/it, and has an aftermarket warranty. His reasoning was "for that kind of $, why not?", and he's got a valid point.

[MCTB]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that 3 or 4 calls to a salvage yard could not have turned up a headlamp and bumper cover that could be stripped and repainted black. Insurance companies often use second had, used parts in their quotes. I think this is more a case of the company wanting to get a liability off of their spreadsheet. I would love to come across this car in a yard and pick it clean.

[zaYG]

Hopefully my 02 isn't a problem.

Then again, if it gets hit, it would probably be a total either way.

[Yo Teach]

The guy estimated there's $7000-8000 worth of damage. Apparently there was some internal damage we can't see underneath the cracked bumper and headlight. I never knew Saabs were made of paper mache.

[compy222]

The guy estimated there's $7000-8000 worth of damage. Apparently there was some internal damage we can't see underneath the cracked bumper and headlight. I never knew Saabs were made of paper mache.

impact could have damaged the intercooler, charge piping, reservoirs, coolant lines, etc. there could easily be 5k in damage there. good body work alone will run a couple grand, plus the parts.

[rimtrim]

Even if Saab never builds another part, this situation will eventually level out. Right now there are a lot of late-model Saabs on the road, and very few in junkyards. Once they start to get totaled out in minor accidents because of parts availability problems, all those totaled cars will be stripped and build up an inventory of good used parts.

Remember, many body and trim parts get discontinued after 6-8 years, even for cars whose maker *didn't* go out of business. That is why the used parts business exists. You can still get used parts for a Daewoo or even a Merkur or Sterling if you're willing to spend some time searching.

-Andrew L

[Diamond Dave]

However, when I see a story like this, it makes me sad. Insurance totaled this guy's beautiful Turbo X, one of the first delivered, because not all the replacement parts could be sourced.

An insurance company doesn't have that latitude. They don't own the car. An owner can always negotiate repair practices and methods; even if it means accepting or acknowledging that used parts were part of the repair.

[rideboarder]

Seems to be no big deal for our two 07 9-3s...parts seem to be available everywhere..heck I walked into the Saab dealership to get a new airshield that was damaged by ice, they had plenty in stock and I only paid 35 dollars. Plus we also had a fuel pump replaced under warranty in our other Saab just two weeks ago, and it took them one day to fix it. They had everything in stock.

[AeroWagon]

If it was my car (no possible chance I'd ever sully my garage with another Saab, because I have much better sense, but I digress, so go with it), and if it was totaled, I'd fall to my knees and thank my preferred deity, snatch the check out of the adjuster's hand, run-not-walk out of the office, and go buy me a real car with the money... Why, especially now, would anyone keep a Saab? This situation will just keep getting worse and worse and worse for owners...

I recently was in an accident with my 9-5, the total damage cost was a little over $5,000.
I got a check to fix it.
And I did.

I hope that irritates you somewhat. lol

edit: I hope '06 NBC doesnt stand for 'new beetle convertible' and you had the balls to write a post about buying real cars.

[Numbersix]

The guy estimated there's $7000-8000 worth of damage. Apparently there was some internal damage we can't see underneath the cracked bumper and headlight. I never knew Saabs were made of paper mache.

Seriously?

My E30 BMW was put in a small ditch by a friend who swerved to avoid a dog running across the road. Evident damage? Front spoiler was scuffed and pulled off its mounting points. LF wheel shoved back in the wheelwell due to a bent strut housing. Oil cooler damaged.

Total to repair? $5200 all in. For what amounted to ZERO damage to any visible body panels, grille, AC condenser, etc.

A 35mph travel speed + maybe 50ft of decel = a pretty healthy collision rate. I could see there being a lot of hidden damage.

I seem to recall Oliver's Mazda6 wagon being recently written off for similar looking front end damage.

[Smigelski]

If it was my car (no possible chance I'd ever sully my garage with another Saab, because I have much better sense, but I digress, so go with it), and if it was totaled, I'd fall to my knees and thank my preferred deity, snatch the check out of the adjuster's hand, run-not-walk out of the office, and go buy me a real car with the money... Why, especially now, would anyone keep a Saab? This situation will just keep getting worse and worse and worse for owners...

Did a Saab run over your dog or something?

[Gus Polinski]

An insurance company doesn't have that latitude. They don't own the car. An owner can always negotiate repair practices and methods; even if it means accepting or acknowledging that used parts were part of the repair.

I think used anything for a Turbo X will be difficult, although now I guess this guy's vehicle can be added to the pot

[MatchStick]

I am not a Saab hater - I am a former owner and I love the two I had.

I am not one of those people who is happy Saab died.

But, it's despicable that on here, just because they are super duper Saab fans, you had people giving out such bad and wrong advice concerning buying them. x1000

[arethirdytwo]

So funny to me as I always grew up with SAAB meaning one thing only... Something Always About to Break. Weirded me out to see them seem to really come back into the swing these last ten years... then they go bankupt .

[Dandbest]

So funny to me as I always grew up with SAAB meaning one thing only... Something Always About to Break. Weirded me out to see them seem to really come back into the swing these last ten years... then they go bankupt .

Hmm, I grew up with SAAB meaning Some Ahole Actually Bought it, but yours is good too!

[Bias_Ply]

But, it's despicable that on here, just because they are super duper Saab fans, you had people giving out such bad and wrong advice concerning buying them. x1000

Where was this? if you read that thread linked above I'm not sure how you came away with that. Most posters did not advise it and those who said basically "you can if you want, but" mentioned that you'd probably be on the hook for sourcing some used parts yourself. IF the guy wants to fix that car he may be able to find all the parts to complete it, with some leg work. If you just drop it off at the body shop of the insurance co.s choosing, and all they do is make a few phone calls to find parts, naturally its going to be a total loss.

[Live-Wire]

The parts suppliers will gladly build spare parts... in fact, many of them would love to see half the Saabs in accidents, because they make more money on "service order" parts then they do from selling to the OEM directly.

Some parts might be made by Saab in their factory tho - like main structural parts/company secrets they might not want someone to know, something they think they could build cheaper, or something so expensive to build they'd rather not deal with markups on that part... or something so complicated and important they want to have their hand on it... or a combination of these things.

It's possible not all parts will be available. Or will only be available when someone takes on that business - it's possible the supplier for say door panels has gone bankrupt and the tooling went back to Saab - who might not have the molding machines and assembly equipment to build them. Until they found a buyer who was ready to take on that service contract, no parts would be available...

[Jrod511]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that 3 or 4 calls to a salvage yard could not have turned up a headlamp and bumper cover that could be stripped and repainted black. Insurance companies often use second had, used parts in their quotes. I think this is more a case of the company wanting to get a liability off of their spreadsheet. I would love to come across this car in a yard and pick it clean.

I totally believe it. How many Turbo X's do you think are out there? Now how many of THOSE are sitting in a salvage yard? Now for a newer car to be sent to a junk yard it took a REALLY hard hit and I wouldn't be surprised if those are parts cars, but NOT panel cars. Turbo X's have a bespoke look not common to the rest of the 9-3 line. I can probably envision an insurance claims adjuster who knows cars going "Uggggh...I'll make a call or two, but this thing is going to be totaled"

[Boogety Boogety]

edit: I hope '06 NBC doesnt stand for 'new beetle convertible' and you had the balls to write a post about buying real cars.

Oh, but it does: That's our Toy. In our Dallas garage right now:
'01 Honda Insight
'06 NBC
'10 MB SL550
'10 MB R350
'10 Honda Odyssey Touring
'10 Audi A8

In our Anzio garage right now:
'02 MB S-Class
'08 MB S-Class

We buy and replace cars every two or three years, so I'm very familiar with "real" cars, having bought over 100 new ones since the late '60s. Our Saab was a huge piece of crap, and the dealership experience was execrable, with multiple, frustrating visits for warranty issues from the very first week: Happily dumped the POS less than a year later. Maybe someday you'll be fortunate enough to own more than one car from the 21st Century...

[Jrod511]

all them words

BB just owned us all and for quite some time.

[VadGTI]

BB just owned us all and for quite some time.

Pffft, you're not keeping up. We've had discussions about the garage in Italy and why someone would buy an R350 and an Odyssey. You've just missed them all. Tsk Tsk.

[A.Wilder]

BB just owned us all and for quite some time.

The lowest form of insult on TCL is to attack someone's car posted under their username.

[MRVW00]

If it was my car (no possible chance I'd ever sully my garage with another Saab, because I have much better sense, but I digress, so go with it), and if it was totaled, I'd fall to my knees and thank my preferred deity, snatch the check out of the adjuster's hand, run-not-walk out of the office, and go buy me a real car with the money... Why, especially now, would anyone keep a Saab? This situation will just keep getting worse and worse and worse for owners...

Oh, but it does: That's our Toy. In our Dallas garage right now:
'01 Honda Insight
'06 NBC
'10 MB SL550
'10 MB R350
'10 Honda Odyssey Touring
'10 Audi A8

In our Anzio garage right now:
'02 MB S-Class
'08 MB S-Class

We buy and replace cars every two or three years, so I'm very familiar with "real" cars, having bought over 100 new ones since the late '60s. Our Saab was a huge piece of crap, and the dealership experience was execrable, with multiple, frustrating visits for warranty issues from the very first week: Happily dumped the POS less than a year later. Maybe someday you'll be fortunate enough to own more than one car from the 21st Century...

We get it.
You hate Saab.
Stop bombarding every Saab post with your douchery.

I own a dealership and drive whatever I want. EVERYDAY.
There. I'm cooler than you.

PS- I just bought a Saab 9-5 Wagon. It's an antique as it's a 2001, but I enjoy the utility and space for an errand car in my fleet of awesomeness.

PPS- I wouldn't admit to anyone, not even my Dr., that I drive/own a Honda Insight or NBC. Does your BELOVED even let you visit your balls?

[MatchStick]

Where was this? if you read that thread linked above I'm not sure how you came away with that. Most posters did not advise it and those who said basically "you can if you want, but" mentioned that you'd probably be on the hook for sourcing some used parts yourself. IF the guy wants to fix that car he may be able to find all the parts to complete it, with some leg work. If you just drop it off at the body shop of the insurance co.s choosing, and all they do is make a few phone calls to find parts, naturally its going to be a total loss.

weird. this thread was originally linked in here. it's what I was originally referring to. should have quoted the post I guess...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5557811

most "should I buy?" threads on here ask for/expect a certain amount of subjective input. I just found it to be really lacking in the thread I've linked.

odd the post that referenced this original thread was removed.

[AeroWagon]

Oh, but it does: That's our Toy. In our Dallas garage right now:
'01 Honda Insight
'06 NBC
'10 MB SL550
'10 MB R350
'10 Honda Odyssey Touring
'10 Audi A8

In our Anzio garage right now:
'02 MB S-Class
'08 MB S-Class

We buy and replace cars every two or three years, so I'm very familiar with "real" cars, having bought over 100 new ones since the late '60s. Our Saab was a huge piece of crap, and the dealership experience was execrable, with multiple, frustrating visits for warranty issues from the very first week: Happily dumped the POS less than a year later. Maybe someday you'll be fortunate enough to own more than one car from the 21st Century...

I dont even know how to respond to this level of douchery lol.

I guess I better start with replacing all my cars with ones from the past decade, because everyone knows old cars are for poor people.

Not to say your entire list of cars is garbage, but you act like you just posted Jay Lenos car list and I could learn a thing or two about someone of your stature... get real.

[someguy123]

None of those cars he posted are reliable, hold resale, and only slightly better than the Saab.

[Oliver@triplezoom]

I dont even know how to respond to this level of douchery lol.

You're the one who called him out in a very douchey way.

[SIR ANDROID184]

You're the one who called him out in a very douchey way.

I guess no matter how old or which rung on the social ladder, it still sucks to get
owned