Best track car Audi TT 225 Quattro 6spd or Mk2 GTI VR6

[supraman95]

So I am trying to decide which car will be the best on track. I have driven a MK2 VR6 GTI that is setup for roadracing and it is great however I feel like the Audi TT AWD would really shine here.

What are your thoughts and why?
thanks

[metric1]

Is this for lapping or Racing?

[supraman95]

I am looking to build a car to start doing trackdays for now. May race it in the future but I want something that is fun and fast.

I have a line on a MK2 race car however I wondered if the TT AWD turbo car would be better.

[metric1]

I'm not a fan of the vr6 motor. Too heavy, too far out front, too expensive to make power. The 1.8t is by far the best motor VW has made and has the most potential. The tt would also be much better in the rain, has better suspension and a stiffer chassis. There is NO way the mk2 could ever be a better car than the tt

[supraman95]

I'm not a fan of the vr6 motor. Too heavy, too far out front, too expensive to make power. The 1.8t is by far the best motor VW has made and has the most potential. The tt would also be much better in the rain, has better suspension and a stiffer chassis. There is NO way the mk2 could ever be a better car than the tt

Yeah that is why i am asking. I feel like the TT with AWD has to be faster and easier to drive. Trying to find a 225 quattro TT for cheap is hard.

[mgyip]

Yeah that is why i am asking. I feel like the TT with AWD has to be faster and easier to drive. Trying to find a 225 quattro TT for cheap is hard.

AWD is a panacea and especially the miserable Haldex system that Audi stuffed into the TT (and the R32). It's fine for track events but as At Speed proved with the Volvo S60R, Haldex isn't very durable. Beyond that, AWD isn't necessarily faster nor easier to drive. It masks the driver's mistakes and allow the driver a very false sense of security until the driver reaches the limits of adhesion and then bad things happen very quickly.

Given the choices you're listed, I'd rather go with a VR6 GTi than a TT. A 1.8T GTi or even a 2.slo would be an even better choice due to weight and relatively less complexity. Ultimately a good track car isn't necessarily a high-horsepower car but rather a good handling car that will run circles around high-hp, awd barges that go really fast in a straight line but can't brake and/or turn for more than 2 laps before something overheats.

[1stgen]

+1 to the above, I have a 1.8t racecar and it still took 2 years of development to keep it from overheating while on track. Now no issues and makes 240 wheel and is almost impossible to drive as it is and is totally set up to race. Keep it simple...

[metric1]

+1 to the above, I have a 1.8t racecar and it still took 2 years of development to keep it from overheating while on track. Now no issues and makes 240 wheel and is almost impossible to drive as it is and is totally set up to race. Keep it simple...

Two years? Not sure where you went wrong, but our car never, ever had a heating issue, and we are still using the stock radiator. How can your car be almost impossible to drive with 240 whp?

[1stgen]

Try fitting a front mount inter cooler, double pass radiated and front end aero onto a 84 scirocco and get back to me as to why it took two years. Not to mention the only time you could test it was at the track. The car is front drive and weighs 2100 with me in it...so with 240 wheel she likes to break the tires free in 4th gear. Try going through the kink at calabogie at 125 mph with wheel slip while at full throttle.

[metric1]

Try fitting a front mount inter cooler, double pass radiated and front end aero onto a 84 scirocco and get back to me as to why it took two years. Not to mention the only time you could test it was at the track. The car is front drive and weighs 2100 with me in it...so with 240 wheel she likes to break the tires free in 4th gear. Try going through the kink at calabogie at 125 mph with wheel slip while at full throttle.

125mph/200kph through the kink, i think that's a little optimistic., especially with a 2:23 lap time. What series are you racing in?

[1stgen]

Average speed through the front straight kink is 120 mph 5th gear flat down the front straight. Have never raced at calabogie only driven open track there. Race the NARRC series with the car come see for yourself....be at nhms memorial day weekend.
P.S. I'll be at LRP two weeks later...suppose a 1:00 is optimistic to you as well? LOL

[metric1]

Just an informed observation. If you've got wheel slip then you've got no grip, especially through the kink. I also based this on the fact that I have raced at Calabogie and run in the 2m16's , (you can check Mylaps) , on slicks, with 374whp and while in 5th gear, with no wheel spin i'm not doing 200k. . See the red jetta in the " mk4 racecar" posts above. So why is it your car is 7 seconds a lap slower if it's so fast down the straight?
Oh, and BTW, I hold the FWD racing lap record, World Challenge included, at Mosport at 1:27:848

No idea what a good lap time is at Lime rock

[1stgen]

^^^this all means that you live in Canada to me...u need to come down to the states and hit some tracks. I live in upstate ny and get up your way no prob....why don't you guys come down here? I don't have thousands of dollars intO my rear suspension like you do, nor a track as wide or wheelbase as stable. Slow corners are slow for me, I have huge balls and don't mind sliding through the kink, 4 left not so much. But I'm sorry bro I do average 120 down through there. Buddy of mine wrecked HRD there 2 years ago while we were there with BMW. It's a scary fun turn, that just takes balls and no lift...or the afformentioned will happen.

[1stgen]

Yu do any instruction at Canadian/ calabogie events? I sometimes will get up there for an ottawa BMW event or to for BMW. Would like to see your car in person, I'm still running a boxed trailing arm and balljoint extensions, Which sort of gets the job done.

[metric1]

Calabogie is about an hour away. I actually have never done any lapping/DE days. My focus has always been on racing. I've taught at a couple of race schools. I find the mind set at club events such as Porsche and Bmw too narrow, with the focus on everybody achieving "instructor" status and the same poor habits and mistakes being perpetuated.

[metric1]

Our last car was modeled after the VW motorsport mk3 golf. Including rear toe links and front hub extensions with spherical bearings replacing the ball joints. I'll scare up a pic sometime