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    Thread: VRT HELP!!! Twin Disc is damaged, ok to run??

    1. Member 98rzvr6's Avatar
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      04-22-2012 06:15 PM #1
      Hey guys i had an issue last year with my competition twin disc getting it to fit, i called the company directly and was told that i would have to ship it back and they might be regrind the plate down or i just might have to regrind the bellhousing down to fit, they said " they never seen this issue before" so i decided to grind down the bellhousing because i needed to get the car back on the road. I got it running last year but she never drove, i did put it in gears multiple times so i know im ok there, i did also move it in my driveway while it was in gear and everything so i know it does move the car and it does engage into gears very smoothly but what do you guys think? I shaved it down a lot and i used grease on the plate itself to see if it would be touching the bellhousing and it wasnt so i just took the tranny off now because i was gonna check on the timing and i see this, I dont have warranty anymore i think so should i just shave it down a little bit more and call it a day? The discs look fine and so does the flywheel, nothing looks damaged besides the plate and bellhousing, thanks for the help guys


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      04-22-2012 07:33 PM #2
      Holy crap, I would be worried about the damage to the bellhousing. That is right where the pinion bearing sits.
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      04-22-2012 08:25 PM #3
      That's allot of interference, enough to think it's the wrong application. I wonder if you have a crank thrust washer any more. Is that flywheel for that clutch? I always see the cm twins come with a flywheel and don't know if they fit stock ones.
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      04-22-2012 10:01 PM #4
      Yeah it came with the flywheel, its all one package but what should i do? Should i get a new set up and trans? I really dont want to obviously, this **** isnt cheap
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      04-22-2012 10:27 PM #5
      In my view it's not a problem to make more clearance but it must be done with machine tools not by hand. I would have to think that all that damage happened more or less all at once on start up. short of a missing thrust washer there can't be that much movement in the crank. And even then. So yeah...take some off the flywheel and I personally would take some truing cuts on the clutch just for balance sake. You might be able to gain some by taking a cut on the pillars/bosses that mate to the flywheel as well. My guess is if you could gain .10" you would be good, though even .075 might get you there. For sure put a pinion brace on.
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      04-23-2012 01:56 AM #6
      I would not run that case in a high hp car, recipe for disaster. I think they sent you the wrong one. Maybe someone else who runs this will chime in.
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      04-23-2012 10:04 AM #7
      o2a or 02j bellhousing?
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      04-23-2012 02:31 PM #8
      Its 02a
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      04-23-2012 03:13 PM #9
      boost + traction = boom

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      04-23-2012 04:52 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by TBT-Syncro View Post
      boost + traction = boom
      Thanks for the help, you're actually one of the guys that knows what he is talking about on here so im surprised to see a comment like that from you.

      Anyways, Im sending the clutch back right now to them so hopefully here soon I'll know what happened.
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      04-23-2012 05:13 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by 98rzvr6 View Post
      Thanks for the help, you're actually one of the guys that knows what he is talking about on here so im surprised to see a comment like that from you.

      Anyways, Im sending the clutch back right now to them so hopefully here soon I'll know what happened.
      Hope it works out. I know they are not cheap. Let us know what the verdict is.
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      04-23-2012 05:22 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by 98rzvr6 View Post
      Its 02a
      i remember some bellhousing issues with another brand of twin disc and 02j trannies
      look it up , it was early clutchmasters twins that had issues (iirc)
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      04-23-2012 05:46 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by 98rzvr6 View Post
      Thanks for the help, you're actually one of the guys that knows what he is talking about on here so im surprised to see a comment like that from you.

      Anyways, Im sending the clutch back right now to them so hopefully here soon I'll know what happened.
      my opinion is that the housing is now toast. The pinion is going to move, the gears will spread and fail.

      just me being my usual blunt-self.

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      04-23-2012 05:52 PM #14
      Both the clutch and bellhousing ar scrap. imho

      if you have the power to need to run a twinplate, the housing will deff. not hold
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      04-26-2012 06:24 AM #15
      Clutch looks fine. If you look close it's just picked up aluminum from the pinion boss. Very little material has left the clutch. Clean it up and verify balance.
      But I agree there is not enough wall left of the pinion boss to stand up to a whole lot. So change the housing. Sucks but it's not a total loss.
      But of course you still need to deal with the clearance.
      Anyway if you bail on the clutch I'll buy it and make it work. With no handiwork into it that is.
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      04-26-2012 11:23 AM #16
      Another vote for that bellhousing being toast.
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      04-26-2012 01:51 PM #17
      anything over 450 that bellhousing will crack everywhere lol
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      04-27-2012 12:06 PM #19
      Hey guys so i got really good bews, Bob from competition clutch called me yesterday and basically told that for mk3's, there are about 5 or 6 transmission codes so the test vehicle that they had in the shop was a different code so what they are basically going to do is grind down the flywheel a little to get it to fit. They believe that the flywheel will still have enough material to be perfectly functional and of course clear the bellhousing. Everything is covored under warranty and i should be receiving it within the next week. I was pretty worried thinking they would blame it on me but they were honest and lets hope this time everything will be alright. I just ordered a new case so im gonna have to take the gears out of it the old and install everything. I did order a pinion brace from USRT so im really hoping everything fits. I'll definitely spin the engine around multiple times to make sure its not touching anything and if still is, im gonna raise hell
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      04-28-2012 12:58 AM #20
      Ive had issues even with Competition single disc clutches not clearing the bell housing. After about an hour with a file, the rivets were short enough to clear. Both clutches were bolted to the stock VR6 flywheel and then again to the flywheel they offer with no change in fitment.
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      04-28-2012 09:17 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by 98rzvr6 View Post
      Hey guys so i got really good bews, Bob from competition clutch called me yesterday and basically told that for mk3's, there are about 5 or 6 transmission codes so the test vehicle that they had in the shop was a different code so what they are basically going to do is grind down the flywheel a little to get it to fit. They believe that the flywheel will still have enough material to be perfectly functional and of course clear the bellhousing. Everything is covored under warranty and i should be receiving it within the next week. I was pretty worried thinking they would blame it on me but they were honest and lets hope this time everything will be alright. I just ordered a new case so im gonna have to take the gears out of it the old and install everything. I did order a pinion brace from USRT so im really hoping everything fits. I'll definitely spin the engine around multiple times to make sure its not touching anything and if still is, im gonna raise hell
      they should be replacing the bellhousing and cover the labour to split the tranny apart, if they are not take what they give you and then call them everyday and complain.
      If they didn't cover everything and that was my car theyd have a clutch and bellhousing thru their front window.
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      04-28-2012 01:31 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by .therealvrt View Post
      they should be replacing the bellhousing and cover the labour to split the tranny apart, if they are not take what they give you and then call them everyday and complain.
      If they didn't cover everything and that was my car theyd have a clutch and bellhousing thru their front window.
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      04-28-2012 03:21 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by KubotaPowered View Post
      Ive had issues even with Competition single disc clutches not clearing the bell housing. After about an hour with a file, the rivets were short enough to clear. Both clutches were bolted to the stock VR6 flywheel and then again to the flywheel they offer with no change in fitment.
      had the same problem then the springs on the disc came out

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