The pink jetta.

[a2thej22]

If some of you people put half the energy you put into whining, into your car...... You might win something.

[OLD-GTI]

Thanks for volunteering to judge Audi next year Also there's a thread in the dustoff events page on vortex looking for judges..

do you have a link to this vortex place?

[thewhitsnpt]

Bottom line is, if the show sucks that much stay the **** home. The people that want to come and hang out and have a good time and maybe go home with a plaque given to them by one of their peers will have a better time anyway. Seems the Audi guys are the ones with most of the problem. Know why that is? Because most are a bunch of *******s who have spent their life having everything handed to them and feel they are entitled to win. And as has been mentioned, their parents made sure they were made to be felt like they were winners even when they sucked at what they were doing. Hence why they need to feel like winners now while they suck at car building.

If you want a fairly judged car, get off your entitled ass and do something about it. Takes nothing to sit behind an Ipad and bitch about it.

Oh and feel free to make the Uncle Tom comment next time you see me. We can discuss.

[urogolf]

eh... I disagree



right, that was my last sentence... I'm just saying, I hate seeing the same car win year after year because no one else stepped their game up...

but what if the car that keeps wining keeps stepping up his game? do you still hate it?

anywho

Something I observed when i judged in the past: was the amount of cars on the track that were just there for the parking spot exposure or the "hang" and are not necessarily there to "compete"..

how about offering a show car NON JUDGED admission.. Allow parking on the track, with the respective group, but they dont get Judged..
This would make judging go through a so much quicker due to not having to spend the time on those cars..
I would say about Half of each (most not all) class falls into that category.


I cant thank Tom and the whole crew enough for doin what they do!
nothin but for you guys

[thewhitsnpt]

That's a pretty good idea. Something to ponder for sure.

Honestly it is such a small number of people that actually bitch. It just seems worse because they are all over this thread.

[JuanFangio]

Seems y'all are the butthurt ones. Too many swears, generalities and blanket statements in here now to assume its a proper discussion. Its been real vortex see you in 11 months to sign up for judging. :beermug:

[OLD-GTI]

Yeah, I have to agree, the even organizers aren't exactly being professional here.

[thewhitsnpt]

I like to talk down to the level of who I am dealing with.

Thanks for the support buddy.

[911_fan]

Something I observed when i judged in the past: was the amount of cars on the track that were just there for the parking spot exposure or the "hang" and are not necessarily there to "compete"..

how about offering a show car NON JUDGED admission.. Allow parking on the track, with the respective group, but they dont get Judged..

Correct me if Im wrong, but wasn't this how it was in previous years? Isnt this why they moved non-showing cars outside the track in 2011? Even now, with the track parking showing-specific, you have to agree that some of the cars that park there, park to be on the track. (and yes, I'm guilty of this too, but I'm also there to have my car legit judged.) And some of those cars...not being judgmental...are not really show worthy to begin with.

[GT-Ian]

Lou did you win again

congrats buddy

[urogolf]

................Even now, with the track parking showing-specific, you have to agree that some of the cars that park there, park to be on the track. (and yes, I'm guilty of this too, but I'm also there to have my car legit judged.) And some of those cars...not being judgmental...are not really show worthy to begin with.

AGREED and I would hope the owners realize that too

Lou did you win again

congrats buddy

i did sir thanks!

[Sidewayzracer]

Know why that is? Because most are a bunch of *******s who have spent their life having everything handed to them and feel they are entitled to win. And as has been mentioned, their parents made sure they were made to be felt like they were winners even when they sucked at what they were doing. Hence why they need to feel like winners now while they suck at car building.

You mad bro?
Quoting dis for posterity

[MFZERO]

I like to talk down to the level of who I am dealing with.

Thanks for the support buddy.

[Chapel]

but what if the car that keeps wining keeps stepping up his game? do you still hate it?

No, just the car that is EXACTLY the same. Your car is a totally different beast then when I gave you the Mk1 award oh-so-many-years ago.

Something I observed when i judged in the past: was the amount of cars on the track that were just there for the parking spot exposure or the "hang" and are not necessarily there to "compete"..

how about offering a show car NON JUDGED admission.. Allow parking on the track, with the respective group, but they dont get Judged..
This would make judging go through a so much quicker due to not having to spend the time on those cars..
I would say about Half of each (most not all) class falls into that category.

I was just talking about this with someone today. 95% of the cars on the track are there to 'get in a photo' not to be judged. only about 5% of each class is good enough to be considered to win.

One suggestion I wanted to make was that next year you get all the judges to judge all the classes... and simply to cut down on the time spent judging... as a group you stand back and pick out cars that you deem are 'worth your time' to judge. It's pretty obvious from about 20 feet away who is there to compete and who is there to park and possibly get to see a picture of themselves in PVW or EuroTuner...

Then, once you've weeded out the 'hard parkers' from the 'show cars', go judge the show cars as a group (though each judge give points individually) then move to the next car. Odds are you'd be working on about 3-5 cars per class. We're only looking for a winner here... That way you can get 3-5 judges and be good to do every class.
The other thing is that by having a group of judges working together and moving as a group, it raises their visibility to show car owners. That way the owners don't need to stay by their car for EVERY judge and the owner only has to 'tell his story' once to the group. Also, by working as a group, one person may see something that the others dont and can grade accordingly. I remember working one car with 2 judges a few years ago and one guy went "Holy ****! Look at this!" and he pointed out the single most amazing part of the car that none of us noticed because it looked so factory (you'll have to excuse my memory, I don't remember the exact thing it was...). That got BIG points from all of us and had the judge I was with not pointed it out, it probably wouldn't have won it's class (Luis, I THINK it was something on your car when it was red with westmorelands...)

That's a pretty good idea. Something to ponder for sure.

Honestly it is such a small number of people that actually bitch. It just seems worse because they are all over this thread.

One other suggestion, which has been made is to raise the show price to $50. that will weed out those who just want a 'good parking spot'.
Does that mean less attendance or less cars on the track? Not necessarily. Get the show cars parked first, then offer 'VIP Track parking' for $15

I'm just firing off every idea I can think of, so some may not work with others, but think about some of them and I think you'll get a more complete 'judged show' result.

[MYGTI_MA]

simple solution, if you are a hard parker don't fill out your card, if you want to be judged fill it out completely and hang out with your car for the time that the judging opens till you talk to a judge and show them around your car. The little orange dots mean the judge has 'judged' your car.

[911_fan]

$50? Good luck with that. Quickest way to ruin this show/attendence.

Look, its as simple as this: People pay the $20 to park on the track simply because its the best parking at the show. At the race track, there is a huge difference from being on the track and being outside the gates. Unfortunately peeps just want to park where everyone is. Plain and simple.

[SuperBacon]

Takes nothing to sit behind an Ipad and bitch about it.

But what if you're like Kyle and have the iPad molded into the dash of his mkV?

[ThatGuyRyan]

I never have, and never will, understand why it's show cars on the track. The show cars should be where the club cars have been the past two years. There's enough room up there to have 5-10 per class, which should only be the ones competing anyway. Think of it like an enhanced Top Dawg at H2O. People will bother walking up there to check them out because they are all the nice cars in one central spot. The track should be where all the hanging out and partying is. Also the awards would be way better because people can actually see all the "show cars" at once.

I don't even think it would be that hard, just pre-screen registrants and reserve the right to boot anyone from "show" to "track" at any time (hey, if you're being picked to move in favor of a heavy hitter that just showed up then you didn't really have a shot anyway).

Also if they were grouped like that then it would be a lot easier to have them judged in the way Jared described with a group of judges giving each car the attention the true show cars really deserve.

You could probably even swing the same pricing ($20 show/$15 track) and make the numbers work with the amount of people who would happily pay $15 to jam in on the track.

[RydnShotgun]

I never have, and never will, understand why it's show cars on the track. The show cars should be where the club cars have been the past two years. There's enough room up there to have 5-10 per class, which should only be the ones competing anyway. Think of it like an enhanced Top Dawg at H2O. People will bother walking up there to check them out because they are all the nice cars in one central spot. The track should be where all the hanging out and partying is. Also the awards would be way better because people can actually see all the "show cars" at once.

I don't even think it would be that hard, just pre-screen registrants and reserve the right to boot anyone from "show" to "track" at any time (hey, if you're being picked to move in favor of a heavy hitter that just showed up then you didn't really have a shot anyway).

Also if they were grouped like that then it would be a lot easier to have them judged in the way Jared described with a group of judges giving each car the attention the true show cars really deserve.

You could probably even swing the same pricing ($20 show/$15 track) and make the numbers work with the amount of people who would happily pay $15 to jam in on the track.

This^^ Something like the format of Primer. If you think about it Yarrow had the right idea with that show. The show cars were pre-screened and selected by the organizers. Then everyone else got to park and hang out together, and there were awards for single categories like best paint, best wheels etc. Most of the cars that enter the show are not show cars, but they have some stand out qualities. Personally I don't care about the show part. I always liked the club parking inside the track.

[thrttlebkhtrod]

do you have a link to this vortex place?

Its in the pink mk4

[OLD-GTI]

This^^ Something like the format of Primer. If you think about it Yarrow had the right idea with that show. The show cars were pre-screened and selected by the organizers. Then everyone else got to park and hang out together, and there were awards for single categories like best paint, best wheels etc. Most of the cars that enter the show are not show cars, but they have some stand out qualities. Personally I don't care about the show part. I always liked the club parking inside the track.

brilliant idea is brilliant.

[Chapel]

This^^ Something like the format of Primer. If you think about it Yarrow had the right idea with that show. The show cars were pre-screened and selected by the organizers. Then everyone else got to park and hang out together, and there were awards for single categories like best paint, best wheels etc. Most of the cars that enter the show are not show cars, but they have some stand out qualities. Personally I don't care about the show part. I always liked the club parking inside the track.

that was what I meant by the 'invitational way'
I didn't want to bring up Yarrow, because I'm sure that would have started another line of horse**** here

[MFZERO]

Its in the pink mk4

Inception

[blueb316v]

But what if you're like Kyle and have the iPad molded into the dash of his mkV?

Yeah but I'm not bitching! I think it's hilarious the same **** goes on! That's why I normally stay in my garage.

[davedanger401]

"Maybe if some of you took the time and look at her car you would see theres a built in hair dryer to blow the sand out of your vagina's"
best thing posted in this whole thread



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[thewhitsnpt]

A version of top dawg/whatever class has been discussed. We need a couple things to happen before we can do what we are thinking. But we are working on some changes.

As far as club inside the track probably not going to happen. But we are letting clubs do ez ups in the infield to hang out if they so desire.

[SuperBacon]

Idk about that whole "get chosen to show" idea. That's what happened at Staggered last year and people were PISSED about it. First Class Fitment is the only show that I know of that can pull that off. Just my opinion, but for example, just because my car may not be a "show car" to any of you, it sure as hell is a "show car" to me

Like I said, just my opinion.

[thewhitsnpt]

No we will not be choosing show cars. It isnt right. Staggered proved that. You think people get pissed at ****ty judging?

Like I said we have an idea that we are hoping will work out that would give repeat winners a place to show on their own and go for best of trophy. And class judging would give another car a turn to shine. But still preliminary at this point.

[that_guy_bry]

If you mod your car and show up strictly for the $50 plaque I would be happy to have one made for you. Send me your name and address.

If you don't like the judging get off your ass and help out. No one to blame but yourselves. While our volunteer judges, of which there were 4, were running around in the rain judging you were cowering inside your car or under an EZ UP. We have people bitching about the quality of the judging now but the same ones were bitching about how long it was taking to tally yesterday. So you want high quality and fast? Let me know how you make out with that in real life.

Thank you for everyone that did help out. We sincerely appreciate it. And for those that prefer to sit behind a keyboard and bitch, organize your own show. I have a show winning Mk3 I would love to enter.

Tom

Hey Tom , wish could have made it this year ! I agree 100% ,shows are supposed to be hanging out with friends , talking about you're mods, gtg atmosphere etc. .I don't personally care for the pink car my self but as I recall they are there early in the morning every year ready to show at 8am and everything tonget it ready for judging it so In the end they actually do deserve something for all that compared to the shutins that don't do anything and expect to win cause they bought some pricey wheels and air ride..You guys bust you're asses to put on the show along with most of the volunteers that are there at 6am to start setting up for the show ,I know from experience .staying after the show to clean up after the slobs that need mommy there to clean up after them ..idk why no one puts up a stink about that .

[SuperBacon]

Like I said we have an idea that we are hoping will work out that would give repeat winners a place to show on their own and go for best of trophy. And class judging would give another car a turn to shine. But still preliminary at this point.

yes, yes, and yes

[MYGTI_MA]

Idk about that whole "get chosen to show" idea. That's what happened at Staggered last year and people were PISSED about it. First Class Fitment is the only show that I know of that can pull that off. Just my opinion, but for example, just because my car may not be a "show car" to any of you, it sure as hell is a "show car" to me

Like I said, just my opinion.

you should have added "show car" to your for sale thread.

[OLD-GTI]

Just my opinion, but for example, just because my car may not be a "show car" to any of you, it sure as hell is a "show car" to me

Everyone feels that way, that's why we're enthusiasts, it's sort of in the definition.

However, there needs to be a level of reality inserted in to this whole thing, and people need to be realistic about what they're competing against.

(this is a general statement, and not directed at your MK3, because I like that car a lot)

The best way to eliminate the legitimate complaints about the judging, and not the "opinion crap" is to actually have a process in the judging, and have the people doing it actually care about getting it right.

Soliciting judges a couple of weeks before the show doesn't exactly show a high level of planning, and it screams "this is an afterthought". Having been involved in this process before, the solicitation of volunteers used to begin in February. there were multiple judges assigned to multiple classes in case someone pulled a no show (which always happened).

Judges were sent in pairs, and after each class was done, the organizers went through, and double checked the decisions to make sure that the decision was agreeable.

The excuse of the rain, is crap, because there has been 1 sunny dustoff in the past 5 years, and this is not a new phenomenon.

In order to restore any bit of integrity in to this process, and make these trophies mean anything, you can't just keep changing the classes & criteria, you need to stick to a format, and actually give a sh!t.

[audikidS4]

I'm not complaining.

I take one of my daily's to whatever show never expecting to win anything. I had a great time with chill people. I was at my car when the judge came, opened my hood and worked it.





Same car took best of class at Wolfsgart too, much to my surprise.

Too bad they only had 4 judges. People who volunteer, then No Show on the day-of-show are morally corrupt. Bar some unforeseen tragedy, these people should have the decency to cancel, so that they may be replaced in time for the show.

My thanks to the show organizers and individuals who helped and participated!

Pink Jetta was dope...

[R32R1]

Bottom line is, if the show sucks that much stay the **** home. The people that want to come and hang out and have a good time and maybe go home with a plaque given to them by one of their peers will have a better time anyway. Seems the Audi guys are the ones with most of the problem. Know why that is? Because most are a bunch of *******s who have spent their life having everything handed to them and feel they are entitled to win. And as has been mentioned, their parents made sure they were made to be felt like they were winners even when they sucked at what they were doing. Hence why they need to feel like winners now while they suck at car building.

If you want a fairly judged car, get off your entitled ass and do something about it. Takes nothing to sit behind an Ipad and bitch about it.

Oh and feel free to make the Uncle Tom comment next time you see me. We can discuss.

I bet those kids were named Tucker, Todd or Hunter too

All in all, Tom doesn't have to put this show on. You heard him, it costs almost $10k to put a show on like this and I'm sure we'll be very upset if he didn't continute to put this show on with all the negative, crying remarks from the people who most likely own junk dailys that didn't place. Personally, besides a handful of mk2's and one mk4, the majority of the cars that showed up were garbage (in a showing aspect. There were nice cars, but nothing more than a drop and wheels). Don't expect your daily to place guys, it's common sense.

[GT-Ian]

At the end of the day, Does it really matter that certain people are b!tching? NO...I mean let's face it, if the judging aspect gets fixed I'm sure there will be a new issue to b!tch about. The show will go on with or without them.

I think it's pretty funny that everyone has there panties in a knot about this, I didn't get a trophy, your car sucks, your jetta is pink, your entitled because you drive an Audi......Fvcking get over it!!!

Whatever happened to just hanging out with friends and fellow car enthusiasts?