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      04-23-2012 05:11 AM #1
      Anyone here like classic BMWs? Post up pics of pre-1983 cars (since the E30s have their own thread...)

      My contribution

      From http://www.s14.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39558




      E12



      E21




      Neue Klasse



      ^ That's an 1800 Ti/SA - the M3 of the 60's...

      700




      More?
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      04-23-2012 09:26 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Orjan View Post


      I just love those little-bitty 700s. Still see one once in a while overseas, but they're becoming quite scarce. Love it love it love it...

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      04-23-2012 09:38 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Boogety Boogety View Post
      I just love those little-bitty 700s. Still see one once in a while overseas, but they're becoming quite scarce. Love it love it love it...
      I like their looks, too. Aren't they based off of the mechanicals of the 600 Isetta and motorcycles, though? How would they drive? If they drove as good as they look, then they'd be fine but I doubt that's the case. The "Neue Klasse" on the other hand, is a good car to drive and I'd imagine that even the early cars (think '62 or so) would drive acceptably well today. I doubt that could be said of the 700, but hey, I haven't driven one so I can't really say.

      Does anyone have direct experience with them? I've always been curious about them.
      Quote Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
      Proletariat, Bourgeoise - Everybody smellin' my potpourri...

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      04-23-2012 09:39 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Orjan View Post

      ^ That's an 1800 Ti/SA - the M3 of the 60's...
      Came to post this.

      Also: Not much pre-war love, folks?
      Quote Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
      Proletariat, Bourgeoise - Everybody smellin' my potpourri...

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      04-23-2012 10:05 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      I like their looks, too. Aren't they based off of the mechanicals of the 600 Isetta and motorcycles, though? How would they drive? If they drove as good as they look, then they'd be fine but I doubt that's the case. The "Neue Klasse" on the other hand, is a good car to drive and I'd imagine that even the early cars (think '62 or so) would drive acceptably well today. I doubt that could be said of the 700, but hey, I haven't driven one so I can't really say.

      Does anyone have direct experience with them? I've always been curious about them.
      I had the pleasure of restoring one for a client (a major collector of significant BMWs) many years ago. His was a rare 700S (sport) with the dual carburetor, high compression flat twin out back. It was a fascinating little car! Everything was so light and delicate. The decklids were alloy if I remember correctly, and everything down to the wheel trims felt like they were made of paper! I recall going slightly mad trying to source the unusual checkered pattern upholstery and eventually found some via an Isetta parts guy who had some connections in Germany.

      But anyway, the car was surprisingly brisk to drive. It's lightness went a long way to help performance and it was just a real joy to pilot. The gearchange was a little awkward, but the steering was kart-like in precision and the flat twin motorcycle engine had enough grunt to keep you rolling along quite nicely. It wasn't as fast as a Mini, but once the momentum was there you could keep up easily. You just have to adjust your driving style and carry as much speed as you dare to save you from having to accelerate again.

      Man, not that I'm thinking about it, I really miss that little car!
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      04-23-2012 10:05 AM #12
      Here are a few i have laying around my computer...




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      04-23-2012 10:06 AM #13
      Pre-War love is here!

      Here's a car we restored just recently, it's off to the Mille Miglia:

      [IMG] DSC_0284 by geofftii2002, on Flickr[/IMG]
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      04-23-2012 10:13 AM #14
      more.. i seem to have a pension for M1s






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      04-23-2012 10:28 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      I had the pleasure of restoring one for a client (a major collector of significant BMWs) many years ago. His was a rare 700S (sport) with the dual carburetor, high compression flat twin out back...
      Thanks for the input! It does indeed sound fun.

      Is there any way to make them a little stronger that is period correct? Not that I'm going to be getting one, but I'm always curious.

      Also, are they 4 speeds and what's the deal with shifting? Was it the ergonomic layout, were they non-synchro or was it just vague? (or something else?)
      Quote Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
      Proletariat, Bourgeoise - Everybody smellin' my potpourri...

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      04-23-2012 10:33 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Thanks for the input! It does indeed sound fun.

      Is there any way to make them a little stronger that is period correct? Not that I'm going to be getting one, but I'm always curious.

      Also, are they 4 speeds and what's the deal with shifting? Was it the ergonomic layout, were they non-synchro or was it just vague? (or something else?)
      IIRC it was a four speed. This being an S, it had floor shift. I can't speak for the standard cars without doing a little research. But I do remember that the gearchange was not unlike that of an early Porsche 356 (maybe one with worn shift linkage and a tired gearbox!). There's some vagueness and the definite feel that you're operating rods and links and not shift forks.
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      04-23-2012 10:34 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      Pre-War love is here!

      Here's a car we restored just recently, it's off to the Mille Miglia:
      OK, now I'm starting not to like you. At all.

      Daaaaaaamn. That's sweet.
      Quote Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
      Proletariat, Bourgeoise - Everybody smellin' my potpourri...

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      04-23-2012 10:35 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      IIRC it was a four speed. This being an S, it had floor shift. I can't speak for the standard cars without doing a little research. But I do remember that the gearchange was not unlike that of an early Porsche 356 (maybe one with worn shift linkage and a tired gearbox!). There's some vagueness and the definite feel that you're operating rods and links and not shift forks.
      Ah. So nothing I'm not used to already then. Got it.
      Quote Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
      Proletariat, Bourgeoise - Everybody smellin' my potpourri...

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      04-23-2012 10:48 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by DarrenW View Post
      I have never seen one of these. Didn't even know they existed. I would love to see one and drive one...

      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      I like their looks, too. Aren't they based off of the mechanicals of the 600 Isetta and motorcycles, though? How would they drive? If they drove as good as they look, then they'd be fine but I doubt that's the case. The "Neue Klasse" on the other hand, is a good car to drive and I'd imagine that even the early cars (think '62 or so) would drive acceptably well today. I doubt that could be said of the 700, but hey, I haven't driven one so I can't really say...
      I have never driven one, or even sat in one: As I say, they are getting to be extraordinarily rare in my Italian neck of the woods. People there tend to keep their cars forever, it seems, and the survivors seem to fall into two discrete groups: Old cars that are falling apart, but being kept together by any means possible, using parts and techniques that would shame Cuban mechanics; and old cars that are pristine, beloved, well-attended, lovingly driven, and jealously guarded. Sadly, the 700s, even though I rarely see them, have always been of the former variety. I've don't recall ever seeing a nice one...

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      04-23-2012 11:18 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      now there's a coupe roofline i've never seen before on this model!

      Nissan did an excellent job emulating it, too:

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      Ooohh my new favorite thread.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Boogety Boogety View Post
      I have never seen one of these. Didn't even know they existed. I would love to see one and drive one...
      I'd never seen one before either!


      Green BMW 700 Convertible by retromotoring, on Flickr

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      04-23-2012 12:40 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Boogety Boogety View Post
      I have never driven one, or even sat in one: As I say, they are getting to be extraordinarily rare in my Italian neck of the woods. People there tend to keep their cars forever, it seems, and the survivors seem to fall into two discrete groups: Old cars that are falling apart, but being kept together by any means possible, using parts and techniques that would shame Cuban mechanics; and old cars that are pristine, beloved, well-attended, lovingly driven, and jealously guarded. Sadly, the 700s, even though I rarely see them, have always been of the former variety. I've don't recall ever seeing a nice one...
      Hmmmm. If they were here in that kind of shape I'd think a potential engine swap might be in order. OK, engine, transaxle and possibly torsion bar/pickle fork swap. (The pickle fork and torsions are essentially one piece and hold the engine/trans assembly on a VW) I would say that a bigger air-cooled BMW motorcycle engine would do nicely, too. I doubt it would be a bolt-in, of course and likely the trans couldn't handle it, but if there's a will there's a way!
      Quote Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
      Proletariat, Bourgeoise - Everybody smellin' my potpourri...

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