Revo tune for tsi engine

[chris@revotechnik]

From my understanding its too aggressive. Yeah it makes more power but its not a "safe" power. I could be wrong though.

What are you basing safe on?

We were the first tuner to release software of the med17 2.0t "TSI" engine in the fall of 2008, we have flashed thousands of them around the world since then and have not had one single failure of any kind.

How is Tune A with no failures and Tune B with no failures any more or less safe?

No tuner in their right minds would release something unsafe, 5hp isn't worth putting yourself out of business.


You would have to be extremely reckless with your tune to do any damage with a basic stage 1-2 flash. Think about it upgraded turbo kits are doing 400+ hp on stock bottom ends, may not be smart long term but they do it. What exactly is a 250hp tune going to damage?

[Aonarch]

What are you basing safe on?

We were the first tuner to release software of the med17 2.0t "TSI" engine in the fall of 2008, we have flashed thousands of them around the world since then and have not had one single failure of any kind.

How is Tune A with no failures and Tune B with no failures any more or less safe?

No tuner in their right minds would release something unsafe, 5hp isn't worth putting yourself out of business.


You would have to be extremely reckless with your tune to do any damage with a basic stage 1-2 flash. Think about it upgraded turbo kits are doing 400+ hp on stock bottom ends, may not be smart long term but they do it. What exactly is a 250hp tune going to damage?

He was just talking out of his ass, and obviously knows zero about tuning or basic mechanics.

[StylinVR6]

What are you basing safe on?

We were the first tuner to release software of the med17 2.0t "TSI" engine in the fall of 2008, we have flashed thousands of them around the world since then and have not had one single failure of any kind.

How is Tune A with no failures and Tune B with no failures any more or less safe?

No tuner in their right minds would release something unsafe, 5hp isn't worth putting yourself out of business.


You would have to be extremely reckless with your tune to do any damage with a basic stage 1-2 flash. Think about it upgraded turbo kits are doing 400+ hp on stock bottom ends, may not be smart long term but they do it. What exactly is a 250hp tune going to damage?

Basing my opinion on many other peoples opinions and what I have read on the internet. Not knockin on Revo or anything but I did find this, made me laugh. http://www.goapr.com/revo/code.html

And Aonarch get off ur knees, u should have the Revo tune paid for by now

[chris@revotechnik]

You do realize that the link you posted to was put up by their marketing person who was not even an employee of APR at the time the thread with that image was made right?

That one of the FOUNDERS of APR who was also the former head of engineering actually came into the thread it was posted in and said that the image posted was 100% fake, that it was in no way possibly real (because he knows how they tag their files) and that the person who created it was just trying to stir up crap. The person who actually initially created the image and made the claim that it said copy right APR in a revo file was someone trying to start a tuning company and trying to make others in the market look bad to promote themselves.


The only thing more pathetic then the fact that people keep linking to it is that a company who knows that it is fake continues to host it on their website.. If you want to deal with a company that knowingly hosts false documents on their website and tries to use them against their competition fine, but we will not tolerate that BS in a thread about Revo.



As for Aonarch on his knees you really don't know much at all. Aonarch is fairly impartial if you ask me. I believe he has had APR on more vehicles then he has had Revo. He has documented trip threads right on this forum of him going out to APR for Tours and BBQs. Of course we appreciate his support but the reality is he is just a normal paying customer like anyone else.

[GoLfUnV]

Basing my opinion on many other peoples opinions and what I have read on the internet. Not knockin on Revo or anything but I did find this, made me laugh. http://www.goapr.com/revo/code.html

you are an idiot.

[DejaEntendu]

Aonarch - What are your thoughts on the APR tune vs the REVO tune? I just picked up a 2012 GTI a few weeks ago and the first thing that I was planning to do was getting it flashed. I originally was going to go with APR as it seemed the most popular and safest (in terms of issues with the ECU failing). However, after seeing the other thread in this forum about two people recently having ECU failures with their 2012 I am now leaning towards the REVO but I wanted to know what your thoughts were since you've had both. Any other input is appreciated.

[chris@revotechnik]

Aonarch - What are your thoughts on the APR tune vs the REVO tune? I just picked up a 2012 GTI a few weeks ago and the first thing that I was planning to do was getting it flashed. I originally was going to go with APR as it seemed the most popular and safest (in terms of issues with the ECU failing). However, after seeing the other thread in this forum about two people recently having ECU failures with their 2012 I am now leaning towards the REVO but I wanted to know what your thoughts were since you've had both. Any other input is appreciated.

ECU failures have nothing to do with the tuner. I know you were leaning our way because of what you heard about failures but it isn't fair to anyone in the market to blame the tune. 99.9% of the issues have to do with how the ecu was opened and how it was sealed back up. The latter actually being key since some tuners didn't initially tell their dealers to seal them which may have causes a spike of failures at one point. There can also be issues with if the cover was bent and not straightened properly before being reinstalled, again that is the person doing the work not the tuner responsible for this.

I don't need to even take my shoes off the count the total number of failures we have had due to issues with how the ecu was physically handled during the unlocking process. It is very low risk when you then consider how many we have actually done. I wouldn't let potential for failure sway your decision on what tuner to use for the tune unless you are not confident with the shop doing the install.

[Aonarch]

Depends on what Chris gives me...

I had APR and I had some issues with it, boost surges, flat points, it just was not a smooth tune what-so-ever. If you look at customer graphs for APR you will see the Great Rockies depicted on the graph, spiky, spiky, spiky.

I went to Auburn University (Local to APR) and I've dealt with APR for many, many years. I like the company, but I feel as though for a stage I and II tune Revo is better.

[rockerdan]

also undecided on APR vs REVO for stage 1.....

is there any major differences that i should be aware of between these two? I was waiting for the next sale from APR, and know pretty much all their options.

I know very little about REVO, can you explain their options and pricing?


also, i was going to remove and send my ECU in to APR directly, knowing they should know best how to take it apart ect....

Can I send a REVO to them direct and have them flash it there? Where are they located?

I don't have any local dealers after looking at their site.

thanks
Dan

[StylinVR6]

You do realize that the link you posted to was put up by their marketing person who was not even an employee of APR at the time the thread with that image was made right?

That one of the FOUNDERS of APR who was also the former head of engineering actually came into the thread it was posted in and said that the image posted was 100% fake, that it was in no way possibly real (because he knows how they tag their files) and that the person who created it was just trying to stir up crap. The person who actually initially created the image and made the claim that it said copy right APR in a revo file was someone trying to start a tuning company and trying to make others in the market look bad to promote themselves.


The only thing more pathetic then the fact that people keep linking to it is that a company who knows that it is fake continues to host it on their website.. If you want to deal with a company that knowingly hosts false documents on their website and tries to use them against their competition fine, but we will not tolerate that BS in a thread about Revo.



As for Aonarch on his knees you really don't know much at all. Aonarch is fairly impartial if you ask me. I believe he has had APR on more vehicles then he has had Revo. He has documented trip threads right on this forum of him going out to APR for Tours and BBQs. Of course we appreciate his support but the reality is he is just a normal paying customer like anyone else.

I had APR for only 3 weeks until my ECU fried, so im not really a fan of them as of right now. The only good thing I have to say about APR is that their customer service was great. I was not aware of that being fake and it is pretty lame for them to leave it up.

I very well could have been misinformed about REVO as I have stated several time throughout this entire thread. All I was asking was for someone with proof/knowledge to clear things up and not just bash me about it.

[vwsizematters]

I had someone talk to me today about gonzo tuning here, and said they tune to his specifications. That being said he is now running a big turbo, that is always broke down lol and was questioning my tune choice for revo as a cookie cutter tune. Bloop right out of the box. I was thinkin in my head shouldn't you be more worried what part of the build is going wrong on your end then to tell me why you didn't go with a " cookie cutter " tune. I thought it was interesting.

And I thought it was my belief that the revo tune accounts for the intake even at stage 1 or am I wrong?
But don't all tunes do that? Or is a tune possible for customizing when you go big turbo?

[GaryD87]

Haven't read the thread. But I do have my pulls.

On a humid day I got a good 250-260 whp and 295-315tq

On a cool day highest pulled a 272 whp and again 315 tq

I've got videos of runs/graphs whatever you need to see.


MK5 TSI Revo Stage 2
Forge DV
Forge Twintake
Full Turboback

[Aonarch]

Haven't read the thread. But I do have my pulls.

On a humid day I got a good 250-260 whp and 295-315tq

On a cool day highest pulled a 272 whp and again 315 tq

I've got videos of runs/graphs whatever you need to see.


MK5 TSI Revo Stage 2
Forge DV
Forge Twintake
Full Turboback

Catted?

[StopSweatinMe]

Great numbers for minimal modifications.

Haven't read the thread. But I do have my pulls.

On a humid day I got a good 250-260 whp and 295-315tq

On a cool day highest pulled a 272 whp and again 315 tq

I've got videos of runs/graphs whatever you need to see.


MK5 TSI Revo Stage 2
Forge DV
Forge Twintake
Full Turboback

[JoshinFL]

I'd try Revo if these tunes weren't so expensive

[Aonarch]

I'd try Revo if these tunes weren't so expensive

Revo is cheap.

[DejaEntendu]

Revo is cheap.

Do I need to contact a dealer to get pricing? I noticed there's none on their website.

[Aonarch]

Do I need to contact a dealer to get pricing? I noticed there's none on their website.

Yes

[vwsizematters]

The revo shop near me at s2 dynamics it was like 500 even. With that money saved from going to APR I can get stage 2. It's well worth going to revo they do great work and retains great drivability as do all tunes. But you will b happy with any of em. I went with revo at first simply cause it was close, then I saw they were pretty cheap. For a reputable company. And a downpipe is 200 from my shop lol how could I not want stage 2

Quick question for the tsi owners did you upgrade your diverter valves before stage 2? Or even at stage 1

[GoLfUnV]

Quick question for the tsi owners did you upgrade your diverter valves before stage 2? Or even at stage 1

no, 30k and still factory dv.

[rockerdan]

Some questions for REVO guys....

• with REVO, can you send ECU in to them? (no dealer close to me)
  
• where are they located?
  
• what "options" are there for $500?
  
• do they have fuel/octane maps that are switchable?
  
• how is switching done?

thanks!

[vwsizematters]

Some questions for REVO guys....

• with REVO, can you send ECU in to them? (no dealer close to me)
  
• where are they located?
  
• what "options" are there for $500?
  
• do they have fuel/octane maps that are switchable?
  
• how is switching done?

thanks!

Location you need to search, as far as sending your ecu in I am not sure Chris at revo could tell you better.
But you get I think 4 settings and have a option to switch them using a non included remote basically that you twist the knob and set it to stock, 91,92,93,100 depending on your area and gas in your local areas it's best to set and forget. But if you plan on track days and stuff then you may want to opt for this I believe buying that remote though will put you at APR cost. And you have those options on the cruise control stick.

But there are a bunch of shops that are licensed dealers. Ask around or post a question I'm sure there is someone I your area that has gotten either revo or some tune in your area.

It's best to go with a shop local so if you have a issue then you can always call.

[vwsizematters]

no, 30k and still factory dv.

Really still running stock diverter valve are you currently tuned? I thought they revised the diverter valves for the tsi. It is a cbfa model number though. So does this mean I have commen issues as fsi would?

[GoLfUnV]

Some questions for REVO guys....

• with REVO, can you send ECU in to them? (no dealer close to me)
  
• where are they located?
  
• what "options" are there for $500?
  
• do they have fuel/octane maps that are switchable?
  
• how is switching done?

thanks!

yes you can send ECU to them
As of right now they are in Bufford GA, 40 min north of Atlanta
If i remember correctly they have 3 different tunes(Chris should be her shortly to confirm), if you wait for the sale it's $399
SPS controller, lets you switch between programs (they cost 199, but can often be found used for about half price) I do not have one and i have not needed on in the last two years.

Really still running stock diverter valve are you currently tuned? I thought they revised the diverter valves for the tsi. It is a cbfa model number though. So does this mean I have commen issues as fsi would?

Car has 30k, stage one tune done at 4k, stage two at 12k. there are revised DVs but i havent had issues with mine, so i don't see need to change it.

[sca2511]

A bit off topic, but is the DSG stage 1 flash required to go Revo Stage 1? Was considering APR or Revo, but was leaning more towards APR because of the flash.

[JoshinFL]

A bit off topic, but is the DSG stage 1 flash required to go Revo Stage 1? Was considering APR or Revo, but was leaning more towards APR because of the flash.

DSG flash is not required.