Suspension

[rsay4654]

Is there any difference between the 1990 fox and 1993 fox suspension? Like any reason the coil spings shouldn't work?

[redone17]

nope.

[rsay4654]

woot woot. just found a set of coilovers then!!!!

[redone17]

custom built? fox strut housings cut/welded? what components? junkyard find?

[rsay4654]

custom built? fox strut housings cut/welded? what components? junkyard find?

they are just coilover sleeves. ebay! cheap cheap. i am hoping they will wor okay.

[redone17]

not likely. more info please.

[Rogue Leader]

they are just coilover sleeves. ebay! cheap cheap. i am hoping they will wor okay.

They won't

This requires some fabrication including cutting of your strut housings and possibly a custom strut top (we fabricated them for our race fox). I'm sure some other members can answer better than me.

[rsay4654]

They are application specific?? Ebay item number is 370606865492. It says they are not like the pic. But are listed as fitting a vw fox.

[redone17]

if it were only that easy...

a really nice set of coilovers that were hand-built for a Fox were selling for $950 a few months ago - that's about as cheap as you will find something - I think we offered $850 to me at one point because I could pick up...I didn't but I should have.

a TON of info on this subject if you use the search function and also in FAQ. Most discussed topic on here by far.

good luck!
cp

[rsay4654]

If it were only that easy...

A really nice set of coilovers that were hand-built for a fox were selling for $950 a few months ago - that's about as cheap as you will find something - i think we offered $850 to me at one point because i could pick up...i didn't but i should have.

well i think for the price i might try them??

[Rogue Leader]

well i think for the price i might try them??

These are the front struts we built for our fox:



These were built out of a set of factory struts from our parts fox. Above the steering arms you can see the sleeves. In order for those sleeves to fit we have to cut the factory spring perches off. On the top of the springs you can see the custom fabricated tops we made so that they will mount to the car and still turn, since they need to be able to turn (and have a bearing built in for this) for the car to be able to turn. The factory ones don't fit properly with the smaller diameter aftermarket springs, and won't mount properly anyway.

The kit you bought is a start and includes the sleeves that probably will fit, and the springs. But you will need to do a bunch of fabrication work for them to work with. The tops that come with them from the picture will not work right at all. And i can guarantee you because the application is so specific there is no way that what comes with the kit will work.

In the rear you might be able to get the sleeves on to the spring perch for the factory type shocks but thats a big if, they probably won't fit right there either.

[redone17]

keep in mind front suspension is closely compatible with Audi 4k parts (and other models, correct?) and the rears most VW MK2 - parts. Again a lot more info on compatibility if you search...

[rsay4654]

Sorry for my stupidity here. The ones i stated look almost exactly like the ones you have pictured??

[Rogue Leader]

Sorry for my stupidity here. The ones i stated look almost exactly like the ones you have pictured??

Yes, they do. As I said they are part of but not all of what you need.

They problem is they don't just bolt on. Above the steering arms in that picture you can see the sleeves. Those sleeves are covering where we cut off the factory spring perches. On your car when you take this apart to install those there will be a 5 inch or so diameter perch where you see the sleeves on mine. As well on mine you can see a metal cap on top of the sleeve, that is used to hold the shock in (I believe it came with the shocks, Bilstein HDs). You would best be served to put new shocks in as the factory or cheap replacements will suck with those springs.

So to start you need to cut your factory strut assembly. THEN you need the tops (on the top of that pic) because your factory ones probably won't work with those springs. Someone out there may sell them, we fabricated them ourselves. The parts that come with that kit will not work. The Fox tops are thick and have a bearing in them to allow them to turn.

[QuantumSyncro]

These are the front struts we built for our fox:



These were built out of a set of factory struts from our parts fox. Above the steering arms you can see the sleeves. In order for those sleeves to fit we have to cut the factory spring perches off. On the top of the springs you can see the custom fabricated tops we made so that they will mount to the car and still turn, since they need to be able to turn (and have a bearing built in for this) for the car to be able to turn. The factory ones don't fit properly with the smaller diameter aftermarket springs, and won't mount properly anyway.

The kit you bought is a start and includes the sleeves that probably will fit, and the springs. But you will need to do a bunch of fabrication work for them to work with. The tops that come with them from the picture will not work right at all. And i can guarantee you because the application is so specific there is no way that what comes with the kit will work.

In the rear you might be able to get the sleeves on to the spring perch for the factory type shocks but thats a big if, they probably won't fit right there either.

Is there a parts list (maker / model / item) that covers a build like this? I really need to do something with my overly boaty tall suspension and now that I found that one of my Audi 4k bilsteins is bad I think to think about making the leap to a full-blown lowering setup. Also I've heard that the Brazilian springs really don't do much although they claim a 2" drop.

My struts / shocks are shot!

thx

steve

[90quattrocoupe]

Considering the color of the sleeves and adjusters, I would say this is a Ground Control kit. GC does make a top hat that will work with a 4000/90/coupe upper strut mount. It butts up against the bearing in the mount. You may have to talk to them about the size of the sleeve, as the 4000 strut tube should be the same size as the fox . Measure the strut and tell them what you need. I believe 50mm.
I would get a flat plate for the bottom for the sleeve to set on. Better than just the sleeve. You may have to turn down the sleeve a little, for the cap nut to fit all the way down.

When you add the sleeve to the strut tube, coat the strut with antisieze and silicon the top and bottom to seal out moisture.

If you have a wagon, you could use the kit for the rear of a MKII.

Greg W.

Here is a picture of the top hats for a 4KQ.

[Rogue Leader]

Is there a parts list (maker / model / item) that covers a build like this? I really need to do something with my overly boaty tall suspension and now that I found that one of my Audi 4k bilsteins is bad I think to think about making the leap to a full-blown lowering setup. Also I've heard that the Brazilian springs really don't do much although they claim a 2" drop.

My struts / shocks are shot!

thx

steve

The parts were cobbled together from spares from various friends race cars. The sleeves are ground control, springs are Eibach 380lb 8 inch springs for a Honda Prelude, the top hats look similar to what 90Quattrocoupe posted but I believe my friend fabricated them, and then added a strut bearing similar to what the factory setup has, and then the tops according to the recipt are made by Bilstein. We are using Bilstein HD strut inserts as well.