re: 2005 GLI 1.8T - changed ECU, Cluster.. Keys will not learn?

[GLItroubles]

had a short that killed the clusters can-gateway and HVAC controls. replaced ECU, Cluster and HVAC controls... adapted cluster and ecu. but it will not take the program of the original keys? any of them i have all 3.

Also to boot, i accidentally entered the radio code from a different VW i had and now the radio says "2 SAFE"

Any help or assistance is appreciated, i believe the posting format was done correctly, please advise if any information is needed or missing. thank you

Tuesday,24,April,2012,12:54:27:52109
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.3 (x64)
Data version: 20120401


Chassis Type: 9M - VW Jetta IV
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57
75 76

VIN: 3VWSE69M Mileage: 75450km/46882miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06A-906-032-AWP.lbl
Part No: 06A 906 032 SM
Component: 1.8L R4/5VT G 0030
Coding: 07510
Shop #: WSC 12855
VCID: 7BFE1E1469FE411
3VWSE69M55M055080 VWZ7Z0D0659025

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
Coding: 0019970
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 346CF52854204E9

2 Faults Found:
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
014 - Defective
00285 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Right (G45)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
Component: 04 AIRBAG VW61 0202 0003
Coding: 12340
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 27561264C5F6351

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
Part No: 1J5 920 926 H
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V55
Coding: 04230
Shop #: WSC 00222
VCID: 346CF52804204E9
3VWSE69M24M112964 VWZ7Z0D9320710

3 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
01179 - Incorrect Key Programming
35-00 - -
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: F0E4B938B0B8B29

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
Component: 1H Komfortgerát HLO 0004
Coding: 00258
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 3776C2241556A51

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0202

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1C0959811A
Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0202

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1C0959812A
Component: 1H Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0202

No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 3B7 035 180 G
Component: RADIO 3CP 0007
Coding: 03031
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 244C0568B4C0DE9

3 Faults Found:
01303 - Telephone Transceiver (R36)
49-00 - No Communications
00856 - Radio Antenna
36-00 - Open Circuit
00858 - Connection; Radio ZF Output to Antenna Amplifier
36-00 - Open Circuit

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[Santos@Ross-Tech.com]

have you looked at the measuring block data?

[Select]
[17 - Instruments]
[Meas. Blocks - 08]
Select Block 022.
[Go!]
The value in field 3 must be 1. If value is not 1, the key is not capable of being adapted to Immobilizer.
You can check each key in this manner.

[GLItroubles]

have you looked at the measuring block data?

[Select]
[17 - Instruments]
[Meas. Blocks - 08]
Select Block 022.
[Go!]
The value in field 3 must be 1. If value is not 1, the key is not capable of being adapted to Immobilizer.
You can check each key in this manner.

I will go check now. but i have two more questions please.

why if they are not, would they not be compatible?
what would be the next step in getting a key that works?

[Santos@Ross-Tech.com]

I believe IMMO 3 Keys can only be matched to one vehicle (cluster, ECU). I'm sure someone can confirm.

[Jack@European Parts]

This is true with VCDS.

Here we offer a service which will allow for this to be done though so all old keys can be used with new ones to save the customer money.

Contact me via email if interested.

[GLItroubles]

I believe IMMO 3 Keys can only be matched to one vehicle (cluster, ECU). I'm sure someone can confirm.

Tuesday,24,April,2012,14:46:25:52109
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.3 (x64)
Data version: 20120401



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Address 17: Instruments (1J5 920 926 H)

14:46:12 Group 022: Immobilizer I
0 Engine Start permitted
1 Engine (ECU) responds
1 Key Status
0 Number of adapted Keys

tried again after this, they immo light just flashes after i turn the key off and on?

This is true with VCDS.

Here we offer a service which will allow for this to be done though so all old keys can be used with new ones to save the customer money.

Contact me via email if interested.

I will also contact you...

[Jack@European Parts]

email returned

[GLItroubles]

I believe IMMO 3 Keys can only be matched to one vehicle (cluster, ECU). I'm sure someone can confirm.

Tuesday,24,April,2012,14:46:25:52109
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.3 (x64)
Data version: 20120401



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Address 17: Instruments (1J5 920 926 H)

14:46:12 Group 022: Immobilizer I
0 Engine Start permitted
1 Engine (ECU) responds
1 Key Status
0 Number of adapted Keys

tried again after this, they immo light just flashes after i turn the key off and on?


shouldnt it work then? field 3 shows a 1?

[Jack@European Parts]

Nope

Bit is locked.

[GLItroubles]

Nope

Bit is locked.

Ok, new question... threw in original cluster, it works? im dunno, it didnt before? but the ecu is a used ecu from another GLI, this process is possible now correct? if so is just the basic procedure for a using a used ECU, ill give it try?

[Jack@European Parts]

You should read the repair manual.

[GLItroubles]

You should read the repair manual.

i dont have one as why im trying to get some help here? if you dont want to offer assistance i understand, your in it for the business, im trying to get actual help not an email asking for hundreds of dollars and forms to fill.

I have a car down and would appreciate assistance from some one than can offer it. i dont mean to offend as there is no tone posts. I will try tomorrow but feel this work as many have had failed ecu's. Honestly ive been working on this for a few days, im alil fried, its late, and you really havent offer any actual help/ "A solution" Jack, besides wanting money......

good night!

[Jack@European Parts]

High security repairs are exactly that. High security.

I think you seem to trivialize the fact that some people not only make a living, but are bonded and required to honor legal agreements with certain parties.

Second these agreements and equipment in place cost huge money.

Tell me why i should break a continuity path for you as a noob who has given nothing here and only seems to have their hand out?

I'm not saying money either, what posts have you helped people with here?

I think I have already gone way out of my way here answering your questions.
This forum is not substitution for your responsibility to have a proper repair manual for fixing your car.
I will not instruct you with how to perform services, steal cars, or assist others in doing so in a public forum, or private.

You have failed to even provide fact finding documentation. Your mere opposition to providing proper receipts and identification for a high security device, throws up a big red flag of potentially being dirty.

You too have a good night sir.

[GLItroubles]

all good, nice! and with no help from here!

If anyone need help i suggest starting here: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/m...-3-audi-vw.htm

[Jack@European Parts]

This information will not correct the condition you have.

Not only that, this information is available at RT and is a clear cut copy and paste.

The fact is, you don't read, or bring any value to the collective here, by attempting to act in this manner.


Oh here are the same words I have said before and now right from your stupid plagiarized link:

For immo3: you need SKC to use a new key, instrument cluster, or ECU. You cannot use used keys from another car since the immobilizer chip can only be set once per car. The reason why is because it uses a rolling immobilizer code instead of a simple transmit 1 code like earlier systems.

So now here you go, you lose, good day sir!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs

[GLItroubles]

This information will not correct the condition you have.

Not only that, this information is available at RT and is a clear cut copy and paste.

The fact is, you dont read, or bring any value to the collective here, by attempting to act in this manner.


So now here you go, you lose, good day sir!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs

yeah, your wrong... i put back the old cluster... login into the ecu, adapted to the clusters skc and viola everything is matched and all good! so enjoy being this negative being you are JAck!

anyone need help pm, i will personally help you for FREE here on a forum!!!!

[Jack@European Parts]

Nope, your lying. Again bringing worthless value to a theater near you.

You said in your email you wanted to install a GLI cluster from another car not your original while also using a different ecu but with your original keys.

Post #1 also shows your lying now based on the continuity path.

Congratulations that's twice, so it makes you really UNNNNNN.....credit worthy. You have brought no enlightenment here.

There is no way around the lock bit with VCDS for Immo 3 keys, or with the VAS tester.

Your dreaming again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHFViUFTb6k

[markmk1]

damn good debate boys thanks for the laugh jack and you have a good day sir haha.

[GLItroubles]

Nope, your lying. Again bringing worthless value to a theater near you.

You said in your email you wanted to install a GLI cluster from another car not your original while also using a different ecu but with your original keys.

Post #1 also shows your lying now based on the continuity path.

Congratulations that's twice, so it makes you really UNNNNNN.....credit worthy. You have brought no enlightenment here.

There is no way around the lock bit with VCDS for Immo 3 keys, or with the VAS tester.

Your dreaming again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHFViUFTb6k

what are you edit-ranting about now? you needed about 3 hours to go back to edit your original post. what happened, did you ACTUALLY read back what i did now?! You are quick to claim credit worth based on what? you dont know my story or details. If i wanted i could honestly and alot more maturely post back everything i did, why i did what i did. I dont have to prove crap to you! and there is nothing bearing credit? simple i had a short that acted like it also fried the can gateway. but the original ecu had a BT file on it. I sold that along with the custom built motor for it. got a spare ecu from a legit seller on here! and a cluster off ebay.... i was having an issue, you wanted business, i wanted assistance. I was polite, but you persist with negative comments, and emo icons and links to videos... your a banner advertiser or business owner? really, wow! again very mature and i will tell others how you run a show...

so now that you took a step back, read what i did, by putting back the original cluster, because you are correct the other cluster can not be adapted through vag or i just couldnt do it. Adapting the ecu as log as you have the login code i was able to follow the steps in the link i posted. but you attitude in all this, horrendous!

Honestly Jack what ever ISSUES! you obviously have.....

[Jack@European Parts]

Has nothing to do with not doing business or spending money.

You drew first blood my friend.

I can only point to this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMXGSP_nPyY


Oh and I apologize in advance that I may edit later on if i believe I have found something more fact finding or antagonizing to bring to light. LOL

I think there is a difference to adding facts to a story vs changing it entirely.

[ZNatZ]

Jack is always rude/ negative and thinks your a piece of uneducated garbage and he is the king! He is very snappy, never offering actual help unless it will direct you to his pocket in the end, you can check:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post76222073

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post75979822

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post76402664

he must have been picked on and now is getting out all his childhood frustrations.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kz7YUdy-Cg

[ZNatZ]

what are you edit-ranting about now? you needed about 3 hours to go back to edit your original post.

i was having an issue, you wanted business, i wanted assistance. I was polite, but you persist with negative comments, and emo icons and links to videos... your a banner advertiser or business owner? really, wow! again very mature and i will tell others how you run a show...

so now that you took a step back, read what i did, by putting back the original cluster, because you are correct the other cluster can not be adapted through vag or i just couldnt do it. Adapting the ecu as log as you have the login code i was able to follow the steps in the link i posted. but you attitude in all this, horrendous!

Honestly Jack what ever ISSUES! you obviously have.....

SPot On! his attitude is horrendous.....

he went back and edit almost all his posts, more proof he just reacts without thinking fully! this is a business owner/ banner advertiser?

[Jack@European Parts]

Seems reasonable.
Your right.......! being a Noob...... who has brought all kinds of things to the table.

Both your opinions mean the world to everyone here.

LOL!


Oh I added this just to edit it.

The front page of youtube, LOL I see you looked long and hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWuo0nwW90U

[Anony00GT]

SPot On! his attitude is horrendous.....

he went back and edit almost all his posts, more proof he just reacts without thinking fully! this is a business owner/ banner advertiser?

...and exactly what does it say about the n00b who uses his first (and only so far) two posts to bash another user, period?

The VCDS Forum collective knows that Jack never, ever helps anyone, right?

I think I know exactly what should be done with this thread right about now...


oh wait...EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpHHtl8gC4

[Dana @ Ross-Tech]

I agree, this is not productive and looks like it needs to be locked.

Let me clarify a few VW Golf/Jetta/Bora (1J/9M) Immobilizer points that have already been discussed.

• Immo III vehicles cannot have used keys matched using the dealer scan tool -OR- VCDS. Specialized equipment may be available but that is beyond the scope of supported functionality with our tool and in this forum. Used = keys that were matched to another car or pair of modules.
  
  
• You can replace ONE of the modules in the Immo III system at a time. The 01-Engine control module -OR- the 17-Instrument control module - NOT both at the same time, and the original keys can be reused/matched.
  
  
• In the rare event that all of the modules need to be replaced ALL vehicle keys must be replaced with the NEW 01-Engine control module and the 17-Instrument control module.
  
  These rare situations would include, but are not limited to; theft recovery, flood/lightning damage and aftermarket component installation hack jobs gone wrong. This new identity test plan is a different on a dealer level, typically involving all new lock cylinders due to vehicle theft recovery. That involves entering the proper VIN and mileage into the new cluster with supporting documentation.