And so they should.
Most failures that that are associated with a Stage 1 flash relate to long term wear and tear, not things that fail during the warranty period. If something fails during the warranty period that could be attributed to a mild tune, that item was most likely indeed defective and was going to fail anyway, be it in the warranty period or just slightly out.
This is OLD news
That's what happened with my APR tuned MK6 GTI last February (they gave me a TD1 code on it), and the reason why I got into my CC
Couple of threads here for reading enjoyment:
I dunno I can't blame them. I mean I bet that a large portion of those who mod also beat the snot out of the cars. The mod them and drive them like race cars. Let's be honest we all see them driving on the roads around us.
So, they beat on their cars and then expect VW to fix them?
Now, there is also the other driver, with the modded car that wants it for the power and may enjoy the tune but is not beating the snot out of the engine or driving it like a race car most of the time.
One driver is abusing the car far beyond design and the other is not. One driver morally should get his repair covered irregardless of mods, the other should not since they are abusing the car, modded or not it will break, just maybe sooner and in warranty period.
But....how can VW know which type of driver they are dealing with. The 22 year old with the hat on backwards whom one might think is the "too fast too furious" one, may in fact be the one who does not beat on the car and the guy in the suit may be. So....they flag the cars they detect and deal with it on the back end. To me it looks like they are gathering data.
This, I want it all for nothing mentality is funny and troubling. How folks who mod the car, can think it should and will be no trouble at warranty/repair time is just crazy (depending on what fails).
Do this....put yourself in the dealership/owner position.
A heavily modded car comes in and has major engine issues. It is not a stretch the car has been driven hard a LOT. Should you foot the bill? Now I know VW really pays the dealer, but, Just because VW is large and has more money than you....should they pay for you modding the car beyond specs and driving it outside the factory performance envelope which is what they are warranting their product to perform to and be reliable in?
I have mods on my car and I know if it breaks certain things will not be taken care of by the dealer, this is a reality and one any adult should be willing to live with. Simply, if you can not afford to fix what you may break, then leave it stock and have no worries.
This has been the issue with "chipping cars" since the first turbo VW/ Audi. Dealers have been notating suspicious cars in there service recorsd for years. If you look on my service record it clarly states that the vehichle has has suspesion alteration "lowered" and the date they noticed it. How is it any different if they notate your service record for a Chip / Flashed ECU?
DO people really think that a tech who drives these cars multiple times a day can't tell the difference between a flashed and a regular car?
Read the Moss-Magnusun Act.
If your modification causes the direct failure and can be proven by the dealer/manufacturer then you the consumer are responsible.
If you think the dealer is going to warranty the ECU after if has chipped/flashed/coded your nuts. However if your Ball Joints go and your chipped then they can't refuse the warranty.
Gotta pay to play.
Crusty Old Curmudgeon
If thats not flagging that I am tuned, I don't know what is!
Life is short. Play hard and be prepared to pay for playing hard! Either that, or just don't play
With my MK6....I was in there for something stupid/cosmetic....the rear hatch glass seemed off/misaligned, and that's when mine got "flagged"
They don't even have to update it to scan it.....it's just they plug in a scanner and it sees the ECU is modified and off to VW headquarters is where that info goes. Then it's attached to your VIN
I mean I get it....but I was pissed off at the time because I was in there for something unrelated to the engine/powertrain and the car obviously didn't need a scan for...but that's how they found it
OEM+ | APRll | CARBONIO | H&R | Eibach
so I live in Northern VA and I know a retailer has partnered with a VW dealership in Richmond and VW will now do that onsite for you. I wonder if that makes any difference to VW USA? What if the VW dealership does the mod wonder if it would get flagged hehehe
It'd seem pretty hypocritical to be selling you the tune at the dealer, and then the next time you're in, they screw you on the warranty.
If there ever was an issue, they still have to prove that the tune caused whatever issue though. It's not like you lose your whole warranty or anything
And if so, you're taking your car to the wrong dealer
Funny thing about this all is a certain popular vw/audi tuner told me this wasn't possible after I told him it was over 2 years ago. He said it this was true their "engineers" would fix the flash count.
Another way VW could check if you have a flashed ecu is performing a checksum if you dont mind using a little on the memory of the chip or running test vectors after the fact on the chip. Another way is a CRC check is a great way to check this and then have the CRC check data report back to the VW diag computer. See if it CRC values are the same as the possible factory/updated flashes. If they don't match. Its been tampered with! Simple simple!
Its very easy for VW to check but they really have never cared until ECUs started burning up more and more. VW gets the returns back and realized they have been opened up. They read VWvortex themselves and realize how tuners are bypassing their encryption code. They start putting codes on peoples warranty data that the car has been modded.
I am not sure how important a faster check would be in this case but its always in the back of the mind for an engineer to make sure a chip runs as fast and efficient as possible. Don't want to waste any memory or use more cycles then needed.
I guess we are going off in another direction that could warrant our own thread. LOL