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      04-30-2012 01:40 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by 18T_BT View Post
      APR says it on their site, so take it up with them. I don't know what you did, if you ran higher octane on a race program, that's your own doing...You have picts to prove that you bent a rod? Good for you, I guess?
      You seem to be glossing over the fact that he proved APR wrong. Plenty of companies say plenty of things, but an actual bent rod takes precedence over a sales pitch written years ago
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    2. 04-30-2012 01:43 PM #37
      Everyone can have their own opinion, and this subject is up for debate but I don't know if I would go as far as to say it is "untrue". Yes forced induction cars don't need back pressure the way NA cars do but I have personally felt the diffrence. I had a car with 2.5 and when I put 3" I felt a diffrence in the butt dyno. So my experiences come from actually running the two sizes on the same car and I'm not the only one to ever report feeling a diffrence in the two. To each their own, many people go with the 3" and most of those people claim they will be going big turbo one day

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      04-30-2012 01:45 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by l88m22vette View Post
      You seem to be glossing over the fact that he proved APR wrong. Plenty of companies say plenty of things, but an actual bent rod takes precedence over a sales pitch written years ago
      But the internet said...
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      04-30-2012 02:00 PM #39
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      04-30-2012 03:03 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by l88m22vette View Post
      You seem to be glossing over the fact that he proved APR wrong. Plenty of companies say plenty of things, but an actual bent rod takes precedence over a sales pitch written years ago
      We don't know what he proved. Did he use the product as it was intended? If not, then guess what he proved...

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      04-30-2012 03:16 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Twopnt016v View Post
      Everyone can have their own opinion, and this subject is up for debate but I don't know if I would go as far as to say it is "untrue". Yes forced induction cars don't need back pressure the way NA cars do but I have personally felt the diffrence. I had a car with 2.5 and when I put 3" I felt a diffrence in the butt dyno. So my experiences come from actually running the two sizes on the same car and I'm not the only one to ever report feeling a diffrence in the two. To each their own, many people go with the 3" and most of those people claim they will be going big turbo one day
      I mean, the science behind pressure ratios and turbines is pretty solidified as is... a bigger exhaust for less backpressure is best for a turbocharged car. If you have done some research and experimentation to contradict the fact that increasing the pressure ratio of the turbine (aka removing backpressure aka running a bigger exhaust) will not result in the turbocharger doing more work (aka cramming more air into your cylinders)... by all means, post it on up.

      Why do people try and substitute heavily biased anecdotal evidence or their "butt dyno" for scientific rigor?
      science: it's for real.

    7. 04-30-2012 03:51 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by tobz@postreleased View Post
      I mean, the science behind pressure ratios and turbines is pretty solidified as is... a bigger exhaust for less backpressure is best for a turbocharged car. If you have done some research and experimentation to contradict the fact that increasing the pressure ratio of the turbine (aka removing backpressure aka running a bigger exhaust) will not result in the turbocharger doing more work (aka cramming more air into your cylinders)... by all means, post it on up.

      Why do people try and substitute heavily biased anecdotal evidence or their "butt dyno" for scientific rigor?
      Going to a 2.5tb will already be removing back pressure. My opinion is 2.5 for stock frame turbo and 3" for BT, I have 3" on my BT car. You can sit here and talk about scientific rigor all you want but until have actually ran both sizes on the same car you can't speak on the difference it makes IMO. You can only speak about your 3" on your car now, not about the 2.5 you had before the 3" and now how much faster your car is after the 3" and how it regained all the low end torque. My experiences or anecdotal evidence as you put it comes from actually running both sizes. Sometimes peoples opinions are what people are looking for, not someone saying "scientifically" the 3" is better. I love how people that are into science always pull the "anecdotal evidence" card and claim peoples experiences hold no weight. Your right, my car didn't feel more torque with the 2.5" and the OP should just go to a local muffler shop and get 4" from the turbo back

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      04-30-2012 04:13 PM #43
      FFS! Just go 3" in the event you choose to upgrade, if not, oh well. Done.
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      04-30-2012 04:50 PM #44
      I love my eurojet 3in tb but from what I hear they have slowed down production of it but I got mine from ese tuning back in jan i would hit them up if you want one. My friend had a 42dd on his gli it was louder than my ej and his would blow out fire balls some times. Here is a video of the ej 3in tb here.
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      04-30-2012 06:21 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Twopnt016v View Post
      Going to a 2.5tb will already be removing back pressure. My opinion is 2.5 for stock frame turbo and 3" for BT, I have 3" on my BT car. You can sit here and talk about scientific rigor all you want but until have actually ran both sizes on the same car you can't speak on the difference it makes IMO. You can only speak about your 3" on your car now, not about the 2.5 you had before the 3" and now how much faster your car is after the 3" and how it regained all the low end torque. My experiences or anecdotal evidence as you put it comes from actually running both sizes. Sometimes peoples opinions are what people are looking for, not someone saying "scientifically" the 3" is better. I love how people that are into science always pull the "anecdotal evidence" card and claim peoples experiences hold no weight. Your right, my car didn't feel more torque with the 2.5" and the OP should just go to a local muffler shop and get 4" from the turbo back
      Right. An engineer at Garrett is wrong and you're right. Got it.
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      04-30-2012 06:36 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by peace2matteo View Post
      does your wife have any interest in breast implants? Those are always a good way to spend your money!!!
      she doesn't need them. but maybe we can buy you some balls

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      04-30-2012 06:43 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by snakeyes76 View Post
      she doesn't need them. but maybe we can buy you some balls
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      04-30-2012 06:51 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Twopnt016v View Post
      Going to a 2.5tb will already be removing back pressure. My opinion is 2.5 for stock frame turbo and 3" for BT, I have 3" on my BT car. You can sit here and talk about scientific rigor all you want but until have actually ran both sizes on the same car you can't speak on the difference it makes IMO. You can only speak about your 3" on your car now, not about the 2.5 you had before the 3" and now how much faster your car is after the 3" and how it regained all the low end torque. My experiences or anecdotal evidence as you put it comes from actually running both sizes. Sometimes peoples opinions are what people are looking for, not someone saying "scientifically" the 3" is better. I love how people that are into science always pull the "anecdotal evidence" card and claim peoples experiences hold no weight. Your right, my car didn't feel more torque with the 2.5" and the OP should just go to a local muffler shop and get 4" from the turbo back
      you guys are killing me .. lol ... but I'm definately listening to everyones "opinions".
      I also read that turbos don't really need the backpressure like N/As do. but since we're looking at keeping it as close to stock as possible, i think the 2.5 is sufficent.
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      04-30-2012 07:01 PM #49
      im seriously considering going but its a 12 hour drive gonna be a pain in the ass to leave work at 5 and get to NJ by early saturday and not be half dead
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      04-30-2012 07:03 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by babarber View Post
      im seriously considering going but its a 12 hour drive gonna be a pain in the ass to leave work at 5 and get to NJ by early saturday and not be half dead
      Bring a passenger and drive shifts
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      04-30-2012 09:50 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by 18T_BT View Post
      We don't know what he proved. Did he use the product as it was intended? If not, then guess what he proved...
      All he proved, even if it was a better-than-APR tune, is that their tuning was holding back in order to avoid doing rods (makes sense considering the $6k+ price of the kit back in the day); I'm sure the product was used as intended, he drove the piss out of it
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      Quote Originally Posted by Crimping Is Easy View Post
      Oh hot damn, a diesel wagon with a stickshift. I've always wanted to feel like I was driving a UPS truck everywhere I go.

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