what started the whole "bagged" and "stanceworks" fad?

[markus037]

im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass? whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit? is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

[konigwheels]

Come on, seriously. It came about the same way every trend did, and this style has many dedicated enthusiasts that are true car guys and really great people.

This has been asked before, its been beaten to death. Nobody wants to hear anymore about it, and if you don't like it, please be quiet and go somewhere else.

[Mr Miyagi]

Ooga Booga ib4lock

[Juiced6]

putting airbags/hydraulics on cars is nothing new just the word "stance"

Hell there was a big trend to find 63 impalas put on those tiny spoke wheels and bounce the car down the street. This was is the early 90s

And it was not new then either


Like all the 80s fad clothing high schoolers wear now - it will pass and come back around again like all things

[NoLongerLow]

1) Read up on modern air bag systems. They do not make the car handle like "ass".

2) Stop beating a dead horse.

[20vtVdubb]

1) Read up on modern air bag systems. They do not make the car handle like "ass".

2) Stop beating a dead horse.

This

[..Derek..]

Real air ride is $4000 at a minimum and when set up properly can handle just as well as springs. 9ff and Techart are both developing coilovers based on air springs for porsche race cars.

I like the air ride on my A8L because I can drive it at man height and my wife can drive at woman height

[E34M50]

a guy in a matrix started it.

[302W]

a guy in a matrix started it.

[kamui4u]

[Rento_VW]

im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass? whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit? is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

Don't hate because your car looks like a truck.

Hell there was a big trend to find 63 impalas put on those tiny spoke wheels and bounce the car down the street. This was is the early 90s

Bouncing on air? Must be using 5" hoses and a 500 gallon air tank pushing 9001lbs of air pressure...

Real air ride is $4000 at a minimum and when set up properly can handle just as well as springs. 9ff and Techart are both developing coilovers based on air springs for porsche race cars.

I like the air ride on my A8L because I can drive it at man height and my wife can drive at woman height

Define "real" air ride... Because a pieced together kit and custom made will be cheaper than a name branded kit.

[Juiced6]

Bouncing on air? Must be using 5" hoses and a 500 gallon air tank pushing 9001lbs of air pressure...

take my entire quote you jerk off

i mentioned hydraulics

and the other cool thing with those was to slam them on the ground as well. No different than today. Just a different method of doing it

[Rento_VW]

take my entire quote you jerk off. Just a different method of doing it

Pretty sure you edited that in. As far as running juice, I am aware of it being an alternative method as I was planning on going with it over air myself but couldn't justify the time into relearning something new and setting it up. I personally like it more than air, however the whole sound it makes throws me away from it. To each their own, overall I like juice, just not the sound it makes...

[deagle]

with today's atrocious roads, it doesn't make sense to be so low to the ground, as the tiniest thing can cause a big repair bill

[Juiced6]

Pretty sure you edited that in. As far as running juice, I am aware of it being an alternative method as I was planning on going with it over air myself but couldn't justify the time into relearning something new and setting it up. I personally like it more than air, however the whole sound it makes throws me away from it. To each their own, overall I like juice, just not the sound it makes...

no it was there from the beginning

[smugfree3]

ill bite:
airbags are not exculsively about being 1/2 inch off the ground. the point is that you can do that, AND drive the car around at a normal height (whatever that may mean to you).
if you think that airbags make a car handle poorly, than you are either entirely uninformed or have been in a poorly setup car. my car (mk2) handles like a H&R cup kit, as have others ive encountered.
the reason people dislike airbags=it lets you have your cake and eat it too. it used to be debatable if coilovers are a waste on street cars. airbags make it a fact.

[Juiced6]

ill bite:
airbags are not exculsively about being 1/2 inch off the ground. the point is that you can do that, AND drive the car around at a normal height (whatever that may mean to you).
if you think that airbags make a car handle poorly, than you are either entirely uninformed or have been in a poorly setup car. my car (mk2) handles like a H&R cup kit, as have others ive encountered.
the reason people dislike airbags=it lets you have your cake and eat it too. it used to be debatable if coilovers are a waste on street cars. airbags make it a fact.

im not against air bags - but i would be curious to see an air bagged car vs a coilover/static setup on a road course

i know one company did a pro mod car and got it to run in the low 7s high 6s but they are no where near competitive

[SidVicious]

We started the camber thing.



sorry.

[Bias_Ply]

is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

Have you ever worn clothes that look nice, even if they don't perform as well as athletic warm ups and a pair of new balance? think about what you just wrote for a while.

[DTMTrini]

im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground?

I don't have a boner for looking at a car 1/2 inches off the ground, however, it looks cool to me. Why? I don't quite know, it just does. It's a personal preference, and that's just mine.

i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle.

Similar reason why someone wants to put full coilovers on a vehicle. Because they want to achieve a different suspension geometry then what the car comes with. They'd want to lower the car for looks, feel and or comfort, performance, etc.

i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass?

How do you know that they handle that way? Have you done research on air suspension? This is 2012 so don't talk about suspension from the 90's, talk about what we have today. There are people on the Car Lounge who run on air and they can vouch on how well it rides compared to stock. Ignorance isn't good, think before you type.

whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit?

Ok, so lets say I lowered my car 2" on coilovers...If i come to some obstacle/nature condition [low flood, etc] that I absolutely NEED to raise my car as quickly as possible, how fast can I jack up all 4 corners with a wrench? If I come to some obstacle that I absolulty NEED to raise my car as quickly as possible with bags, how fast can I hit my switches to achieve this? Or to go another step higher?

is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

Once again, if you haven't ever driven/driven in a car with (cheap, crappy) bags, then don't talk. Anyone can say the same thing about specific coilovers that don't actually make your car perform better.

[SoCalDubber]

I like air ride because I enjoy being able to drive a low car and not having to sacrifice my enjoyment when I have to get around the real world.

[izzo]

MK3/4 forums.

[mojocoggo]

im sure this has been asked before

It has.

i understand its for looks or whatever

There's your answer.

is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

Not everybody takes the Nürburgring to work. I take it you don't wash your car because it does nothing for performance.

[Dpaul04]

im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass? whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit? is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

This is pretty "stanced":


as is this:



Id like to think people have been doing similar things for near a half century or more, just in less extremes. Did you really have to make a thread about this?

Ps, as I asked in the bagged Lambo thread... ever since mini truckin and the 90's, the performance aspect has increased a lot, making some considered an upgrade from OEM.

[clean'nblackmk4]

It's just something that people like to do. That's it.

[Chris_V]

im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever,

I realize youre a kid with zero expereince in cars, in general, but lowering to that degree has been going on since the '40s.







Not every modification has to be for performance. Not every car has to be a race car to be valid. Back in the day, these cars were lowered like this PERMANENTLY. They rodeworse than stock in many cases, but had style. In the '60s, hydraulics got added to make them able to rise up to clear obstacles but they rode even worse. So first air shocks were used to replace hydraulics, then as factory air ride was adopted on trucks, those systems were adapted to cars. Finally, dedicated air ride systems were developed. They ride like stock, but offer the lowrider ability that was around from the beginning, with the adjustibilty of hydraulics.

Cailovers were more for the road race and hot rod crowd, as their adjustibility didn't come from inside the cockpit. You set them then leave them alone, which is similar to the original permanent lowrider setups.

What makes you think air ride can't handle? Air springs work like regular springs, they are just adjustible. My stock Range Rover setup handled just fine for an SUV and it had air ride.

[seadoo2006]

I'd like somebody to honestly show me how a bagged setup handles better than a set of PSS9s ... so
far, I've seen the defenders in here say their better than cheap coils (VMaxx and Koni), but come on,
get real ... there's a reason why you don't see people with air ride ripping up the AutoX course ...

[71camaro]

Airl Lift has videos on Youtube. Look them up, I won't hold your hand and do it for you.

[seadoo2006]

Airl Lift has videos on Youtube. Look them up, I won't hold your hand and do it for you.

That looks like the bounciest f*cking ride I've ever seen in my life ... how precisely is this proving your
point??? I've driven Gingerman ... in a coil'ed GTI ... that bouce is TERRIBLE ...

[71camaro]

how precisely is this proving your
point???

What point? Everything I have is on coils, not air. You all asked for videos and I pointed you in a direction.

Lap times, not bounce, are your answer as well.

Edit: that track surface looks terrible too btw.

[Stealth_16v]

[video=youtube;X-zcOLKdBv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-zcOLKdBv4&feature=plcp[/video\

That looks like the bounciest f*cking ride I've ever seen in my life ... how precisely is this proving your
point??? I've driven Gingerman ... in a coil'ed GTI ... that bouce is TERRIBLE ...

Video is terrible looks like they driving a boat haha

[Aonarch]

Me. I did.

[t_white]

Bags vs. coil overs will be around until the end of time at this point.



But I myself, like most others in here, wish the word "stance" (as a current term relating to the automotive world) would die and never be mentioned again.

[Tifosi Scuderia]

It seems that people often forget the purpose of coilovers. They are not meant to be a lowering tool, if you want that, get bags! Coilovers are used to adjust the weight bias on each corner of the car individually providing the optimal weight biases F/R and L/R per course requirements.

[71camaro]

It seems that people often forget the purpose of coilovers. They are not meant to be a lowering tool, if you want that, get bags! Coilovers are used to adjust the weight bias on each corner of the car individually providing the optimal weight biases F/R and L/R per course requirements.

Wrong. I'm pretty sure Raceland/Vmaxx/Weitec/ST coilovers aren't meant for tracking a car, they're meant for lowering by people so inclined. Hell, H&R ULTRALOW coilovers? Wonder what they were designed to do?

I think you're confusing track coilovers, I.E. KW V3 and Clubsport, Stasis, Ohlins, Bilstein PSS9 and the like with these others I've listed.