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    Thread: what started the whole "bagged" and "stanceworks" fad?

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      04-25-2012 10:22 PM #1
      im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass? whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit? is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?

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      04-25-2012 10:25 PM #2
      Come on, seriously. It came about the same way every trend did, and this style has many dedicated enthusiasts that are true car guys and really great people.

      This has been asked before, its been beaten to death. Nobody wants to hear anymore about it, and if you don't like it, please be quiet and go somewhere else.
      Last edited by konigwheels; 04-25-2012 at 10:28 PM.

    3. 04-25-2012 10:26 PM #3
      putting airbags/hydraulics on cars is nothing new just the word "stance"

      Hell there was a big trend to find 63 impalas put on those tiny spoke wheels and bounce the car down the street. This was is the early 90s

      And it was not new then either


      Like all the 80s fad clothing high schoolers wear now - it will pass and come back around again like all things
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      04-25-2012 10:26 PM #4
      1) Read up on modern air bag systems. They do not make the car handle like "ass".

      2) Stop beating a dead horse.
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      04-25-2012 10:27 PM #5
      Real air ride is $4000 at a minimum and when set up properly can handle just as well as springs. 9ff and Techart are both developing coilovers based on air springs for porsche race cars.

      I like the air ride on my A8L because I can drive it at man height and my wife can drive at woman height
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    6. 04-25-2012 10:54 PM #6
      a guy in a matrix started it.
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      04-25-2012 10:56 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass? whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit? is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?
      Don't hate because your car looks like a truck.

      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      Hell there was a big trend to find 63 impalas put on those tiny spoke wheels and bounce the car down the street. This was is the early 90s
      Bouncing on air? Must be using 5" hoses and a 500 gallon air tank pushing 9001lbs of air pressure...


      Quote Originally Posted by ..Derek.. View Post
      Real air ride is $4000 at a minimum and when set up properly can handle just as well as springs. 9ff and Techart are both developing coilovers based on air springs for porsche race cars.

      I like the air ride on my A8L because I can drive it at man height and my wife can drive at woman height
      Define "real" air ride... Because a pieced together kit and custom made will be cheaper than a name branded kit.
      Last edited by Rento_VW; 04-25-2012 at 10:59 PM.

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      04-25-2012 10:58 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?
      Have you ever worn clothes that look nice, even if they don't perform as well as athletic warm ups and a pair of new balance? think about what you just wrote for a while.
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    9. 04-25-2012 11:08 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Rento_VW View Post



      Bouncing on air? Must be using 5" hoses and a 500 gallon air tank pushing 9001lbs of air pressure...


      take my entire quote you jerk off

      i mentioned hydraulics

      and the other cool thing with those was to slam them on the ground as well. No different than today. Just a different method of doing it
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      04-25-2012 11:16 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      take my entire quote you jerk off. Just a different method of doing it
      Pretty sure you edited that in. As far as running juice, I am aware of it being an alternative method as I was planning on going with it over air myself but couldn't justify the time into relearning something new and setting it up. I personally like it more than air, however the whole sound it makes throws me away from it. To each their own, overall I like juice, just not the sound it makes...

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      04-25-2012 11:18 PM #11
      ill bite:
      airbags are not exculsively about being 1/2 inch off the ground. the point is that you can do that, AND drive the car around at a normal height (whatever that may mean to you).
      if you think that airbags make a car handle poorly, than you are either entirely uninformed or have been in a poorly setup car. my car (mk2) handles like a H&R cup kit, as have others ive encountered.
      the reason people dislike airbags=it lets you have your cake and eat it too. it used to be debatable if coilovers are a waste on street cars. airbags make it a fact.
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    12. 04-25-2012 11:19 PM #12
      with today's atrocious roads, it doesn't make sense to be so low to the ground, as the tiniest thing can cause a big repair bill

    13. 04-25-2012 11:23 PM #13
      Cars have been bagged since at least the 50's.

    14. 04-25-2012 11:24 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by deagle View Post
      with today's atrocious roads, it doesn't make sense to be so low to the ground, as the tiniest thing can cause a big repair bill
      Dead raccoons make a mess also. (guess how I know).

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    16. 04-25-2012 11:50 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Rento_VW View Post
      Pretty sure you edited that in. As far as running juice, I am aware of it being an alternative method as I was planning on going with it over air myself but couldn't justify the time into relearning something new and setting it up. I personally like it more than air, however the whole sound it makes throws me away from it. To each their own, overall I like juice, just not the sound it makes...
      no it was there from the beginning
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    17. 04-25-2012 11:54 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by smugfree3 View Post
      ill bite:
      airbags are not exculsively about being 1/2 inch off the ground. the point is that you can do that, AND drive the car around at a normal height (whatever that may mean to you).
      if you think that airbags make a car handle poorly, than you are either entirely uninformed or have been in a poorly setup car. my car (mk2) handles like a H&R cup kit, as have others ive encountered.
      the reason people dislike airbags=it lets you have your cake and eat it too. it used to be debatable if coilovers are a waste on street cars. airbags make it a fact.
      im not against air bags - but i would be curious to see an air bagged car vs a coilover/static setup on a road course

      i know one company did a pro mod car and got it to run in the low 7s high 6s but they are no where near competitive
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      04-26-2012 12:03 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      im not against air bags - but i would be curious to see an air bagged car vs a coilover/static setup on a road course
      You need to understand that a VERY SMALL percentage of people that get coilovers (even for the sake of added performance over stock) aren't out getting competition-type coilovers. I'm willing to bet most of my left nut that a proper air-strut (rather than bag over coil) will handle as well as a set of Koni or VMaxx type coilovers).
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      04-26-2012 12:12 AM #19
      vadgti did it. what just watched.
      Last edited by nm+; 04-26-2012 at 12:18 AM.
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      04-26-2012 12:15 AM #21
      I think it's cool being able to inflate your tires with the air ride system. Just need a hose.

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    22. 04-26-2012 12:19 AM #22
      im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground?
      I don't have a boner for looking at a car 1/2 inches off the ground, however, it looks cool to me. Why? I don't quite know, it just does. It's a personal preference, and that's just mine.

      i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle.
      Similar reason why someone wants to put full coilovers on a vehicle. Because they want to achieve a different suspension geometry then what the car comes with. They'd want to lower the car for looks, feel and or comfort, performance, etc.

      i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass?
      How do you know that they handle that way? Have you done research on air suspension? This is 2012 so don't talk about suspension from the 90's, talk about what we have today. There are people on the Car Lounge who run on air and they can vouch on how well it rides compared to stock. Ignorance isn't good, think before you type.

      whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit?
      Ok, so lets say I lowered my car 2" on coilovers...If i come to some obstacle/nature condition [low flood, etc] that I absolutely NEED to raise my car as quickly as possible, how fast can I jack up all 4 corners with a wrench? If I come to some obstacle that I absolulty NEED to raise my car as quickly as possible with bags, how fast can I hit my switches to achieve this? Or to go another step higher?


      is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?
      Once again, if you haven't ever driven/driven in a car with (cheap, crappy) bags, then don't talk. Anyone can say the same thing about specific coilovers that don't actually make your car perform better.
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      04-26-2012 12:27 AM #23
      I like air ride because I enjoy being able to drive a low car and not having to sacrifice my enjoyment when I have to get around the real world.
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    25. 04-26-2012 12:49 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      im sure this has been asked before
      It has.

      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      i understand its for looks or whatever
      There's your answer.

      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?
      Not everybody takes the Nürburgring to work. I take it you don't wash your car because it does nothing for performance.

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