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    Thread: what started the whole "bagged" and "stanceworks" fad?

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      04-26-2012 12:57 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever, but wouldnt an air suspension make the car handle like ass? whats the benefit of this over a coilover kit? is it just to show the whole world you blew $1300 on a mod that doesnt actually make your car perform better?
      This is pretty "stanced":


      as is this:



      Id like to think people have been doing similar things for near a half century or more, just in less extremes. Did you really have to make a thread about this?

      Ps, as I asked in the bagged Lambo thread... ever since mini truckin and the 90's, the performance aspect has increased a lot, making some considered an upgrade from OEM.
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      04-26-2012 01:07 AM #27
      It's just something that people like to do. That's it.
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    3. 04-26-2012 01:15 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by SoCalDubber View Post
      You need to understand that a VERY SMALL percentage of people that get coilovers (even for the sake of added performance over stock) aren't out getting competition-type coilovers. I'm willing to bet most of my left nut that a proper air-strut (rather than bag over coil) will handle as well as a set of Koni or VMaxx type coilovers).
      not doubting - i just would like to see some type of comparison

      I no longer keep up on the performance end of things like i used to for auto-x/road racing etc but it seems like the air bag crowd is always quick to say things like "it can perform just as good as a coilover" etc.

      I just want to see some unbiased data.

      I am having trouble finding that video of the pro mod running in the 6s in the 1/4 with an air bag setup.

      Not saying it can't be done. I just want to see a comparison.

      If a mkv gti on bags is only a 1/2 second slower around a track than the typical h&r coilovers i could probably be sold on going the bag route just because it would be more comfortable on the street while cruising.
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      04-26-2012 01:33 AM #29
      Why is the sky blue? Why do fish Swim? Why are potatoes underground?

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      04-26-2012 01:46 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by GTE77 View Post
      Why is the sky blue? Why do fish Swim? Why are potatoes underground?

      --Sunlight reaches Earth's atmosphere and is scattered in all directions by all the gases and particles in the air. Blue light is scattered in all directions by the tiny molecules of air in Earth's atmosphere. Blue is scattered more than other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves. This is why we see a blue sky most of the time.

      --Fish swim for oxygen.


      --The part of the plant we call a "potato" grows underground. It grows on a specialized underground stem called a stolon. So, although potatoes grow underground, they are stems, not roots.

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      04-26-2012 01:51 AM #31


      It's natural.

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      04-26-2012 08:48 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by markus037 View Post
      im sure this has been asked before, but why does everyone have a boner for making a car a 1/2 inch off the ground? i dont see the point of fitting an air suspension to a vehicle. i understand its for looks or whatever,
      I realize youre a kid with zero expereince in cars, in general, but lowering to that degree has been going on since the '40s.







      Not every modification has to be for performance. Not every car has to be a race car to be valid. Back in the day, these cars were lowered like this PERMANENTLY. They rodeworse than stock in many cases, but had style. In the '60s, hydraulics got added to make them able to rise up to clear obstacles but they rode even worse. So first air shocks were used to replace hydraulics, then as factory air ride was adopted on trucks, those systems were adapted to cars. Finally, dedicated air ride systems were developed. They ride like stock, but offer the lowrider ability that was around from the beginning, with the adjustibilty of hydraulics.

      Cailovers were more for the road race and hot rod crowd, as their adjustibility didn't come from inside the cockpit. You set them then leave them alone, which is similar to the original permanent lowrider setups.

      What makes you think air ride can't handle? Air springs work like regular springs, they are just adjustible. My stock Range Rover setup handled just fine for an SUV and it had air ride.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      04-26-2012 09:04 AM #34
      I'd like somebody to honestly show me how a bagged setup handles better than a set of PSS9s ... so
      far, I've seen the defenders in here say their better than cheap coils (VMaxx and Koni), but come on,
      get real ... there's a reason why you don't see people with air ride ripping up the AutoX course ...


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      04-26-2012 09:14 AM #35
      Airl Lift has videos on Youtube. Look them up, I won't hold your hand and do it for you.

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      04-26-2012 09:29 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by 71camaro View Post
      Airl Lift has videos on Youtube. Look them up, I won't hold your hand and do it for you.


      That looks like the bounciest f*cking ride I've ever seen in my life ... how precisely is this proving your
      point??? I've driven Gingerman ... in a coil'ed GTI ... that bouce is TERRIBLE ...

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      04-26-2012 09:31 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      how precisely is this proving your
      point???
      What point? Everything I have is on coils, not air. You all asked for videos and I pointed you in a direction.

      Lap times, not bounce, are your answer as well.

      Edit: that track surface looks terrible too btw.
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      04-26-2012 09:35 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by 71camaro View Post
      What point? Everything I have is on coils, not air. You all asked for videos and I pointed you in a direction.

      Lap times, not bounce, are your answer as well.

      Edit: that track surface looks terrible too btw.
      I'm part of the local AutoX club here in NEO ... just an FYI ... the few jokers we've had that run bagged cars are usually in for one hell of a fail ... again, prove to me side by side that a bagged air ride system can handle as well as a set of PSS9 coils, because in 5 years, I haven't seen **** on air come CLOSE to touching the same amount of money invested in coils.

    14. 04-26-2012 09:36 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      I realize youre a kid with zero expereince in cars, in general, but lowering to that degree has been going on since the '40s.







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      I'm not saying I agree with the OP, but I think these cars look like normal vehicles only lower. What my issue with the current stance movement is they are trying to go that low but put on ridiculous sized wheels / tires with a ton of camber and the cars just look flat out BROKEN.

      Case in point, the Mazda 3 from BigMeecH's thread:

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/5504915...7629850046721/


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      04-26-2012 10:06 AM #40
      i like the whole low fitted camber thing... but in moderation.

      going for the craziest specs and using an ugly pull and/or with too much camber is over the top

      imo you should still be able to have fun driving the car, not have rub, and be low. and it is possible....

      the problem is that is it has become so popular lazy people are just half-a$$ing it .. or trying to one up the next guy.
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    17. 04-26-2012 10:11 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain EX View Post
      I'm not saying I agree with the OP, but I think these cars look like normal vehicles only lower. What my issue with the current stance movement is they are trying to go that low but put on ridiculous sized wheels / tires with a ton of camber and the cars just look flat out BROKEN.Case in point, the Mazda 3 from BigMeecH's thread:
      im pretty neutral here, but damn man, do you not realize that the car looks like that only when it's standing still or parked? like not moving, parked, standing still, for pics & shoots? before it's driven again, the ride height (and some camber-if not a static drop) is restored? or does everyone just ignore this in order to harp on how it would handle & drive at the height it's parked at?

      "looks broken"
      it does not drive like this

      no offense, just sayin'
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    18. 04-26-2012 10:17 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by motronicmalfunction View Post
      im pretty neutral here, but damn man, do you not realize that the car looks like that only when it's standing still or parked? like not moving, parked, standing still, for pics & shoots? before it's driven again, the ride height (and some camber-if not a static drop) is restored? or does everyone just ignore this in order to harp on how it would handle & drive at the height it's parked at?

      "looks broken"
      it does not drive like this

      no offense, just sayin'
      I don't care if it's driving or not. If you actually read my post I mentioned nothing about drivability. What I said was that the cars Chris_V posted looked like normal cars just lowered. That vehicle...EVEN WHILE STATIONARY...looks broken. Someone actually thought it looked GOOD while slammed down with what looks like broken axles.

      Do I need to add some of these () so you'll understand what I'm saying?

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      04-26-2012 10:20 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain EX View Post
      I don't care if it's driving or not. If you actually read my post I mentioned nothing about drivability. What I said was that the cars Chris_V posted looked like normal cars just lowered. That vehicle...EVEN WHILE STATIONARY...looks broken. Someone actually think it looks GOOD while slammed down with what looks like broken axles.

      Do I need to add some of these () so you'll understand what I'm saying?

      By the way, if you use the "Shift" button, you can get capital letters no offense, just sayin'
      Agreed ... it's like, if I take a sledgehammer to all my body panels and an axe to my interior and I rip out my radio and smash a few windows, the car looks broken, doesn't matter if I fix it all to drive it home, it looks broken. Seriously, this fad is retarded and those that like the "stanceworks" scene need to eat a gun ...

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      04-26-2012 10:28 AM #45
      Like others have mentioned, it's all about moderation (both in goal and execution).



      My Beetle was meant to be a fun car to drive every day. Some performance additions to helps it, the wheels I like, and an air ride setup to help me navigate the day-to-day with a smile. I had absolutely no intention on tracking the car, still had plenty of fun cruising through the canyons, and sacrificed just about nothing with it.

      Ask me why I enjoyed being able to drive this low and not have to be concerned about what the streets in the next town over looked like.





      Many would say you spending $1000+ on a good set of coilovers for your VOLKSWAGEN is a waste of money, too.

      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Seriously, this fad is retarded and those that like the "stanceworks" scene need to eat a gun ...
      At least you're open-minded and accepting that others have tastes that differ from yours.... People like you is what makes the car hobby so enjoyable
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      04-26-2012 10:32 AM #46
      lol, so many idiots and misinformation in this thread its ridiculous.

      I ridden on pss9's and my car is bagged, Id take the bags all day long... you can adjust dampening, height, "spring" rates... and everything else you can do with coils... except on the fly from inside the car while cruising along.

      Im also running bilstein rear shocks with my air set up and the handling/cornering is phenominal compared to any of the coils ive ridden on.

      Seadoo, for someone that does so much talking, what real world experience have you had with a car on an airride setup? or are you just pissed youre wrong and cant handle admiting it?

      (ironic its all the same people that cry about mkiv's, that are clueless to the benefits of air suspension)
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      04-26-2012 10:34 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      [video=youtube;X-zcOLKdBv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-zcOLKdBv4&feature=plcp[/video\

      That looks like the bounciest f*cking ride I've ever seen in my life ... how precisely is this proving your
      point??? I've driven Gingerman ... in a coil'ed GTI ... that bouce is TERRIBLE ...
      Video is terrible looks like they driving a boat haha

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      04-26-2012 10:34 AM #48
      IF someone tracks their car, would you really consider airride in the first place?

      no need to compare the two, as they were built for completely different purposes.

      Now, what we can compare is Air ride to Coils that were built to go super low. like v-maxx or some other stuff like that

      comparing PSS9's to Air ride in terms of handling performance is like comparing a Gucci Purse to Military spec backpack and wondering which is better on the battlefield.

      As for the stance/bagged/camber discussion, why do you care? Is it your car? If you dont like it, dont look at it. Everyone has their own perspectives and opinions. Didnt your momma ever tell you, that if you have nothing nice to say, then shut your whore mouth?
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      Welcome. This is where, when you put air ride on an overweight all wheel drive sedan, you've ruined a race car. And when you put nothing but functional aero parts on a car to turn it into a strictly race-prepped car, you've ruined a perfectly good NSX that could've easily been transformed into an overweight all wheel drive sedan. Racecar.

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      04-26-2012 11:27 AM #49
      Bunch of pansy ass kids nowadays.

      Static low is where it's at bitches!

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      Why did you have to start this inane thread.


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