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    Thread: what started the whole "bagged" and "stanceworks" fad?

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      04-26-2012 11:30 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain EX View Post
      I'm not saying I agree with the OP, but I think these cars look like normal vehicles only lower. What my issue with the current stance movement is they are trying to go that low but put on ridiculous sized wheels / tires with a ton of camber and the cars just look flat out BROKEN.
      Lowering a solid axle car severley will not induce camber. Same for kingpin front suspensions. My own falcon was lowered 4" jsut by cutting the front springs and using lowering blocks in teh rear:



      And there was no camber added by doing so. But my Bugs got mad negative rear camber whenlowered even just a couple inches:



      Modern independantly suspended cars will get mad camber when lowered heavily, but they don't drive like that often, so it really doesn't matter other than making the car real low.

      As for the big rims, they are in fact duplicating the visual effect of whitewalls on the '50s customs, where the big rim and short sidewall match the wide whitewall and short blackwall portion of the tire. The whitewalls were to make the wheels look bigger and reduce the black tire portion, as they didnt' have larger wheels to install. And they were heavily tucked to the point where the fender came down past the whitewall part of the combo. And of course, they used chrome reverse wheels or chrome hubcaps, as chrome wheels accented the car, even though they removed the chrome from the bodywork.

      Seriously the only real new thing about stanced cars is the use of the word stance as a verb. The point is, cars that pretty much sat flat on the ground are as old as customizing cars, so acting like it's some new fad is silly. The cars that were lowered in the '40s and '50s and '60s were essentially new cars then, too, just like the slammed VWs and Hondas are essentially new cars now. Nothing has changed except the badges on the cars and the actual technique of getting them that low. Those early low cars, like my Falcon, wer that way all the time, and could be a bit of a pain to drive around due to being that low. At least air ride cars can be adjusted up to clear obstacles and get in and out of driveways easy, while retaining factory ride and handling. Best of both worlds, really. Stock ride and handling when you want it, and ultra low cruising when you want it, all from the comfort of your driver's seat.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      04-26-2012 11:40 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam144 View Post
      Bunch of pansy ass kids nowadays.

      Static low is where it's at bitches!
      i was probably lower static than your coils will go.
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      No. Smell has a very strong connection in the brain with feelings... or if you're walking past A&F you might think of that chick you fingerblasted when you were 15.

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      04-26-2012 11:41 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by x_GTI_x View Post
      i was probably lower static than your coils will go.
      Mine probably rides more like a chuck-wagon than yours does! Oregon Trail Stylez biatch!

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      04-26-2012 11:46 AM #54


      I hate to bash something someone else likes but this is a trend that I can't understand either. It seems like a lot of work to make a car slower and less practical. And the only people who seem to like the trend are those who already have a "slammed" car so it only looks good to a select few.

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      04-26-2012 11:49 AM #55
      Bags vs. coil overs will be around until the end of time at this point.



      But I myself, like most others in here, wish the word "stance" (as a current term relating to the automotive world) would die and never be mentioned again.
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      04-26-2012 11:52 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by 01tj View Post
      I hate to bash something someone else likes but this is a trend that I can't understand either. It seems like a lot of work to make a car slower and less practical. And the only people who seem to like the trend are those who already have a "slammed" car so it only looks good to a select few.
      how does air suspension make a car any slower?
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      No. Smell has a very strong connection in the brain with feelings... or if you're walking past A&F you might think of that chick you fingerblasted when you were 15.

    7. 04-26-2012 11:52 AM #57
      Different people like different things.
      Different people have different goals.
      All of you arguing about this are dumb

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      04-26-2012 11:59 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by slikaznricer View Post
      comparing PSS9's to Air ride in terms of handling performance is like comparing a Gucci Purse to Military spec backpack and wondering which is better on the battlefield.

      As for the stance/bagged/camber discussion, why do you care? Is it your car? If you dont like it, dont look at it. Everyone has their own perspectives and opinions. Didnt your momma ever tell you, that if you have nothing nice to say, then shut your whore mouth?
      All of this made me smile....that is all
      Let's face it, if you're a grown-ass man driving a Hyundai or Kia to work, your life plan didn't work out as expected

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      04-26-2012 12:18 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by 01tj View Post

      I hate to bash something someone else likes but this is a trend that I can't understand either. It seems like a lot of work to make a car slower and less practical. And the only people who seem to like the trend are those who already have a "slammed" car so it only looks good to a select few.
      I know this is a hard concept for many in here to grasp, but perhaps....

      ...perhaps the car looks good to *gasp* the owners.
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      04-26-2012 12:38 PM #61
      Different people like different things.
      Different people have different goals.
      All of you arguing about this are dumb
      agreed...and boring
      -leaving thread now before I read another word...

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      04-26-2012 12:55 PM #62
      My hypothesis is that it came into the light (i.e. more popular) not long after the F&F days started to wane. My logic is based on the fact that during HS and college I never heard much or saw a lot of this type of stuff save for the kids who cut muffler tips and springs (the cheap way) on their Civics.

      Reason being that once the cops started to really push up campaigns against street racing and non-sanctioned car meets that people may have felt that "low and slow" was better than revving their little Honda engines to redline all day.

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      04-26-2012 01:45 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by clutchrider View Post
      My hypothesis is that it came into the light (i.e. more popular) not long after the F&F days started to wane. My logic is based on the fact that during HS and college I never heard much or saw a lot of this type of stuff save for the kids who cut muffler tips and springs (the cheap way) on their Civics.

      Reason being that once the cops started to really push up campaigns against street racing and non-sanctioned car meets that people may have felt that "low and slow" was better than revving their little Honda engines to redline all day.
      Your theory really sucks.

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      04-26-2012 01:47 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by 71camaro View Post
      Your theory really sucks.
      QFT.
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      No. Smell has a very strong connection in the brain with feelings... or if you're walking past A&F you might think of that chick you fingerblasted when you were 15.

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      Not saying they started it but its been going on forever.


      For the record I hate the word "stanced"

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      04-26-2012 03:02 PM #66
      It's okay, the slammed dubbers are just perpetuating a trend that the ricers embrace:

      Race
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      Instead of plastering their cars with stickers and 24" spoilers that do nothing, they "slam" their cars so that "laying frame" and "mad tyte camburr, y0!" is what they do. The funniest thing is then hearing a dubber trying to explain why his version of ruining his car is better than the Honda boys in the next parking lot over.

      If you have to cut, remove, plasma torch off your front sway bar, or if you have to notch your frame, or if you cannot go faster than 2mph up a driveway incline, yes, you are as stupid if not more than your Honda-ricer cousins.

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      04-26-2012 03:02 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      It's okay, the slammed dubbers are just perpetuating a trend that the ricers embrace:

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      04-26-2012 03:05 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      The funniest thing is then hearing a dubber trying to explain why his version of ruining his car is better than the Honda boys in the next parking lot over.
      Quote Originally Posted by zaYG View Post
      That isn't what rice means, your argument = void.

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      Quote Originally Posted by zaYG View Post
      That isn't what rice means, your argument = void.
      That's what the R!cers used to say it meant to make the joke on everyone who wasn't in the know. Sort of like some of the things said in this thread
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      04-26-2012 03:10 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by 01tj View Post
      I hate to bash something someone else likes but this is a trend that I can't understand either. It seems like a lot of work to make a car slower and less practical.
      So are cars that come from the factory with air ride not practical?

      It's just another design. You can use a spring. You can use a bag full of air. Each has their pros and cons, but they both essentially do the same thing.
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      04-26-2012 03:10 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Can't see your picture, but rice = tacky body kits, wings, flashy paint jobs and altezza lights among other things. If you don't have those, you're not rice!
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      04-26-2012 03:11 PM #72
      Low self-esteem
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      04-26-2012 03:13 PM #73
      One of the significant qualifiers of "rice" was that the items were simply stuck or bolted onto the car and didn't require fabrication (decals, spoilers, wire loom). Notching a frame correctly, or pulling arches, or anything like that, THOUGH YOU PERSONALLY MAY NOT LIKE IT, is not rice.

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      04-26-2012 03:13 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      It's okay, the slammed dubbers are just perpetuating a trend that the ricers embrace:

      Race
      Tell me how laying frame is race inspired? Di dyou not notice that this has been going on in the custom world since the '40s???


      If you have to cut, remove, plasma torch off your front sway bar, or if you have to notch your frame, or if you cannot go faster than 2mph up a driveway incline, yes, you are as stupid if not more than your Honda-ricer cousins.
      So all those custom guys since the '40s, building cars like I posted, are stupid ricers?

      I wish it physically hurt to be as closed minded, insultng and ignorant a POS as you are.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      04-26-2012 03:19 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      It's okay, the slammed dubbers are just perpetuating a trend that the ricers embrace:

      Race
      Inspired
      Cosmetic
      Ehancements

      Instead of plastering their cars with stickers and 24" spoilers that do nothing, they "slam" their cars so that "laying frame" and "mad tyte camburr, y0!" is what they do. The funniest thing is then hearing a dubber trying to explain why his version of ruining his car is better than the Honda boys in the next parking lot over.

      If you have to cut, remove, plasma torch off your front sway bar, or if you have to notch your frame, or if you cannot go faster than 2mph up a driveway incline, yes, you are as stupid if not more than your Honda-ricer cousins.

      I'll stand by what I said ... go eat a gun ...
      so your all about performance?.....why?
      do your auto cross your car,drag race,road course? NO you dont so what the F%^k is the point.
      you drive on that same streets as i do and can only go the speed limit so why drop cash to have this "fast"/ "performance" car

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