Last edited by 71camaro; 04-26-2012 at 10:33 AM.
Case in point, the Mazda 3 from BigMeecH's thread:
sam3 by Roman Goldberg, on Flickr
sam12 by Roman Goldberg, on Flickr
Last edited by NightTrain EX; 04-26-2012 at 10:38 AM.
i like the whole low fitted camber thing... but in moderation.
going for the craziest specs and using an ugly pull and/or with too much camber is over the top
imo you should still be able to have fun driving the car, not have rub, and be low. and it is possible....
the problem is that is it has become so popular lazy people are just half-a$$ing it .. or trying to one up the next guy.
it does not drive like this
no offense, just sayin'
Originally Posted by patrikman
Do I need to add some of these () so you'll understand what I'm saying?
By the way, if you use the "Shift" button, you can get capital letters no offense, just sayin'
Last edited by NightTrain EX; 04-26-2012 at 11:21 AM.
Like others have mentioned, it's all about moderation (both in goal and execution).
My Beetle was meant to be a fun car to drive every day. Some performance additions to helps it, the wheels I like, and an air ride setup to help me navigate the day-to-day with a smile. I had absolutely no intention on tracking the car, still had plenty of fun cruising through the canyons, and sacrificed just about nothing with it.
Ask me why I enjoyed being able to drive this low and not have to be concerned about what the streets in the next town over looked like.
Many would say you spending $1000+ on a good set of coilovers for your VOLKSWAGEN is a waste of money, too.
Last edited by SoCalDubber; 04-26-2012 at 11:33 AM.
lol, so many idiots and misinformation in this thread its ridiculous.
I ridden on pss9's and my car is bagged, Id take the bags all day long... you can adjust dampening, height, "spring" rates... and everything else you can do with coils... except on the fly from inside the car while cruising along.
Im also running bilstein rear shocks with my air set up and the handling/cornering is phenominal compared to any of the coils ive ridden on.
Seadoo, for someone that does so much talking, what real world experience have you had with a car on an airride setup? or are you just pissed youre wrong and cant handle admiting it?
(ironic its all the same people that cry about mkiv's, that are clueless to the benefits of air suspension)
Last edited by x_GTI_x; 04-26-2012 at 11:34 AM.
IF someone tracks their car, would you really consider airride in the first place?
no need to compare the two, as they were built for completely different purposes.
Now, what we can compare is Air ride to Coils that were built to go super low. like v-maxx or some other stuff like that
comparing PSS9's to Air ride in terms of handling performance is like comparing a Gucci Purse to Military spec backpack and wondering which is better on the battlefield.
As for the stance/bagged/camber discussion, why do you care? Is it your car? If you dont like it, dont look at it. Everyone has their own perspectives and opinions. Didnt your momma ever tell you, that if you have nothing nice to say, then shut your whore mouth?
And there was no camber added by doing so. But my Bugs got mad negative rear camber whenlowered even just a couple inches:
Modern independantly suspended cars will get mad camber when lowered heavily, but they don't drive like that often, so it really doesn't matter other than making the car real low.
As for the big rims, they are in fact duplicating the visual effect of whitewalls on the '50s customs, where the big rim and short sidewall match the wide whitewall and short blackwall portion of the tire. The whitewalls were to make the wheels look bigger and reduce the black tire portion, as they didnt' have larger wheels to install. And they were heavily tucked to the point where the fender came down past the whitewall part of the combo. And of course, they used chrome reverse wheels or chrome hubcaps, as chrome wheels accented the car, even though they removed the chrome from the bodywork.
Seriously the only real new thing about stanced cars is the use of the word stance as a verb. The point is, cars that pretty much sat flat on the ground are as old as customizing cars, so acting like it's some new fad is silly. The cars that were lowered in the '40s and '50s and '60s were essentially new cars then, too, just like the slammed VWs and Hondas are essentially new cars now. Nothing has changed except the badges on the cars and the actual technique of getting them that low. Those early low cars, like my Falcon, wer that way all the time, and could be a bit of a pain to drive around due to being that low. At least air ride cars can be adjusted up to clear obstacles and get in and out of driveways easy, while retaining factory ride and handling. Best of both worlds, really. Stock ride and handling when you want it, and ultra low cruising when you want it, all from the comfort of your driver's seat.
I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.
I hate to bash something someone else likes but this is a trend that I can't understand either. It seems like a lot of work to make a car slower and less practical. And the only people who seem to like the trend are those who already have a "slammed" car so it only looks good to a select few.
Bags vs. coil overs will be around until the end of time at this point.
But I myself, like most others in here, wish the word "stance" (as a current term relating to the automotive world) would die and never be mentioned again.
My hypothesis is that it came into the light (i.e. more popular) not long after the F&F days started to wane. My logic is based on the fact that during HS and college I never heard much or saw a lot of this type of stuff save for the kids who cut muffler tips and springs (the cheap way) on their Civics.
Reason being that once the cops started to really push up campaigns against street racing and non-sanctioned car meets that people may have felt that "low and slow" was better than revving their little Honda engines to redline all day.
It's okay, the slammed dubbers are just perpetuating a trend that the ricers embrace:
Instead of plastering their cars with stickers and 24" spoilers that do nothing, they "slam" their cars so that "laying frame" and "mad tyte camburr, y0!" is what they do. The funniest thing is then hearing a dubber trying to explain why his version of ruining his car is better than the Honda boys in the next parking lot over.
If you have to cut, remove, plasma torch off your front sway bar, or if you have to notch your frame, or if you cannot go faster than 2mph up a driveway incline, yes, you are as stupid if not more than your Honda-ricer cousins.
I'll stand by what I said ... go eat a gun ...