One of the significant qualifiers of "rice" was that the items were simply stuck or bolted onto the car and didn't require fabrication (decals, spoilers, wire loom). Notching a frame correctly, or pulling arches, or anything like that, THOUGH YOU PERSONALLY MAY NOT LIKE IT, is not rice.
So all those custom guys since the '40s, building cars like I posted, are stupid ricers?If you have to cut, remove, plasma torch off your front sway bar, or if you have to notch your frame, or if you cannot go faster than 2mph up a driveway incline, yes, you are as stupid if not more than your Honda-ricer cousins.
I wish it physically hurt to be as closed minded, insultng and ignorant a POS as you are.
I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.
"Lowering it" has always been a huge part of volkswagen culture, starting with the aircooled beetles and vans, it has continued through to modern volkswagens and i think in the last few years car enthusiasts of other brands have caught the trend. My car isn't bagged or have any dumb camber, but it is fairly low with decently wide stance, i think it looks great. i also get compliments from teenage "bros", hot girls my age (early 20's), 50 year old guys in muscle cars. and once from an 80 year old woman.
but i agree that stupid amounts of camber is completely retarded.
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It's a look, just like a lowerider is a look, or a brodozer is a look, or a rice rocket is a look. Just like Rat Rod, Hot Rod, and Street Rod are looks. I think Pro-street cars look kinda stupid, but the owners like them, who cares. I despise Pro-touring inspired cars, but again, the owner likes it, who am I to judge. Everything listed takes time, money, hard work, and dedication, for the fab work and for the desired look to be achieved. Ricers generally get less respect from me because they're taking the easy way out on building the car, but if it took a significant effort, I can appreciate it, even if I don't particularly care for it personally.
I get a kick out of all the "Oh noes, ruiend racekor, cannot track, fail" people. Not everyone is going to Summit Point of Mid-Ohio next weekend. Some go for aesthetics because they aren't as skilled behind the wheel, or they have passion for cars but not competing in speed competitions with them. SO WHAT!
What if a person has one "stanced" car and another car they track, and :gasp: another car they left stock? Are they a lesser enthusiast because they lowered one car beyond where it performs best? They still have their track car, so does it not count because they "ruined" something else?
Oh, OP, Stanceworks is a company and a blog, not a fad. They're no different than streetfire or speedhunters, they just happen to market to this particular niche.
I don't understand this discussion. This stuff has been around for ever. I remember back in the 90ies when I read my dad's old car modding magazines, cars had the same recipe back then, just as low and wide as possible. It's been around long before that. My father and his friends did it back in the 80ies, in fact, this stuff has been around nearly as long as the car has existed.
I really don't understand the fuss - some years ago, while thiss stuff already existed like it is today, nobody cared. Now that it's become a bit more mainstream every douche and their grandma is hating on it like there's no tomorrow.
What's the point? Most people who lay their cars out for looks do realize it's never going to handle as good as a racecar with proper suspension geometrics - that said, most racecars are very low as well, the difference being that their suspension has been constructed to handle properly at that height. Most of your run of the mill coils or even bags are designed to handle properly at a certain height - which is not as low as that of a racecar, to retain full suspension travel.
For example, look at this:
An E36 320iS from the 90ies touring car racing era. I know E36s pretty well and I can tell you for sure that the undercarriage of this car sits less than 1.5 inch off the ground. Yet it does handle properly. Why? Because the suspension is designed for this extreme level of low. It'd be too much to discuss the suspension setup of this car in depth, but suffice to say that it's quite different from anything you can readily buy for these cars, especially the rear setup.
So why go as low as this or even lower with a suspension not specifically designed for it? Because it looks good. Because, with the right suspension it still handles and drives fine at this height, even if it will never be the right setup to set track records. Because it's not a race car.
Do you need a 4000$ coilover suspension setup for the racetrack to go to work? Hell, no. Why would you? To get there 3 seconds faster... wait, you can't. Why? Because you're stuck in traffic.
Each of these suspension setups has it's place. For go, for show, for whatever the owner wants. Airride offers the best of both worlds, you can lay the car out and if you want to have some fun you can raise it up to the height it's designed to handle properly at (meaning a height where the resulting bag pressure, i.e. spring rates, match your dampers) and just have a blast driving 'round corners and when you're done with that just lay it out again so it looks stunning again.
Where's the problem? WHY bitch about it?
Now that I've said my two cents, I'll just roll away in my undriveable slammed, cambered and stretched Touring.
I do a LOT of agressive canyon driving as that it my 110 mile daily commute. Coils are the only way for my Mk2. But I see the benefit. For my wife's next car, we're considering bags. I used to be such a hater when it comes to air ride, but having been in a couple well executed vehicles, for someone that just wants to be low and still have a great ride, it's the logical choice. They both have their function and do it well.
It seems that people often forget the purpose of coilovers. They are not meant to be a lowering tool, if you want that, get bags! Coilovers are used to adjust the weight bias on each corner of the car individually providing the optimal weight biases F/R and L/R per course requirements.
I think you're confusing track coilovers, I.E. KW V3 and Clubsport, Stasis, Ohlins, Bilstein PSS9 and the like with these others I've listed.
ignorantly bashing whats popular is just as trendy as embracing it...congratulations your the anti establishment socially awkward goth kids in the corner of the car world brooding at how much more hardcore you are then everyone else, amiright?
oh i forgot every car has to be a race car now a days...i seem to have also forgotten that Volkswagen are automatically performance oriented racecars from the factory, not economical consumer cars. I mean the R in r32 stance for racecar right?
Has it been noted that this looks cartoonishly fake?
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Evaluating everything automotive in regards to how it will perform at autox is no less dumb than evaluating everything relative to how slammed it is.
Some people just want to loaf around and look cool, there's nothing wrong with it.
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