what started the whole "bagged" and "stanceworks" fad?

[geofftii2002]

Has it been noted that this looks cartoonishly fake?

[saron81]

"Lowering it" has always been a huge part of volkswagen culture, starting with the aircooled beetles and vans, it has continued through to modern volkswagens and i think in the last few years car enthusiasts of other brands have caught the trend. My car isn't bagged or have any dumb camber, but it is fairly low with decently wide stance, i think it looks great. i also get compliments from teenage "bros", hot girls my age (early 20's), 50 year old guys in muscle cars. and once from an 80 year old woman.



but i agree that stupid amounts of camber is completely retarded.

That's just because it's a MKIII bro.

[x_GTI_x]

Unless you have an old Caddy......I'm sorry to hear that.

im not...almost 40 MPG and $30 to fill the tank?

pretty sad a 22 year old car is in the same MPG category as modern day hybrids.

[kwik!gti]

im not...almost 40 MPG and $30 to fill the tank?

pretty sad a 22 year old car is in the same MPG category as modern day hybrids.

Just noticed your location, you're not from Taunton are you? There's a lowered 20th that I see parked at my gym from time to time (dont know if he's bagged or not)

[x_GTI_x]

Just noticed your location, you're not from Taunton are you? There's a lowered 20th that I see parked at my gym from time to time (dont know if he's bagged or not)

nah, im in central Mass... 15 minutes west of Worcester.

[Wanganrunner]

Evaluating everything automotive in regards to how it will perform at autox is no less dumb than evaluating everything relative to how slammed it is.

Some people just want to loaf around and look cool, there's nothing wrong with it.

I hate TCL.

[jaysvw]

What started the "I need to make a troll thread on TCL that serves no real purpose" fad?

[Jman5000]

At this point I'd be happy if the kids stopped calling negative camber "camber".

[MightyDSM]

This guy:

[konigwheels]

Agreed ... it's like, if I take a sledgehammer to all my body panels and an axe to my interior and I rip out my radio and smash a few windows, the car looks broken, doesn't matter if I fix it all to drive it home, it looks broken. Seriously, this fad is retarded and those that like the "stanceworks" scene need to eat a gun ...

Hey Seadoo. **** YOU. You are now the worst idiot on CL. At least the idiots before you werent playing with a full deck, you're self aware AND retarded.

Nothing you say from here on out in any thread will be taken seriously.

[x_GTI_x]

At this point I'd be happy if the kids stopped calling negative camber "camber".

lol, the people modifying the cars and putting the work in know the difference.

Dont look at comments on facebook/ stanceworks for a comparison... you cant group the real enthusiast in with a bunch of ricers commenting "yo dat ****s so balla ****ing clean dawg"

[Rento_VW]

That video.... is fail. You have Kirby sitting in the passenger seat, of-fckin-course the ride is going to be bouncy.

[PoohDizzle]

If its not your car, why the **** do you care?

[Chauncey Wellington III]

Ok.

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[302W]

a guy in a matrix started it.

[kamui4u]

[ATL_Av8r]

What started the "I need to make a troll thread on TCL that serves no real purpose" fad?

it's a tie between GolfStrom and StattlichPassat

[DUBSfightinRUST]

Dead horses smell bad...

Some people like low and slow ,some people don't.

Slammed my scirocco and still trying to drive it farther than a 1/2 mile without damaging something , but it looks cool!

[Tifosi Scuderia]

Wrong. I'm pretty sure Raceland/Vmaxx/Weitec/ST coilovers aren't meant for tracking a car, they're meant for lowering by people so inclined. Hell, H&R ULTRALOW coilovers? Wonder what they were designed to do?

I think you're confusing track coilovers, I.E. KW V3 and Clubsport, Stasis, Ohlins, Bilstein PSS9 and the like with these others I've listed.

I think that you are slightly blinded by the fad. The only reason such coil overs exist is because companies saw this stupid trend with uneducated "dubbers" and saw a profit waiting to be made. There is no difference in the design of standard coil over struts wether it be race land or pss9's. They all essentially have the same bodies with different internal valving structure as well as improved adjustments. All coils originated as track oriented tools for adjustment. The only reason you're seeing race lands is because they are made cheap and can lower a car while however being essentially the same design as their race bred for runners. They were never meant to be on road cars. But as I'm sure you know if you introduce anything to make a Vw low, owners will buy it no doubt

EDIT: about the ultra lows, they are the same as any other coil over strut coilover, just with threads further down the bodies and reworked internals so you don't blow the piss out of them when slammed. Hold them up to a racing coil over strut type coilover and you'd be hard pressed to find the difference. Simply made JUST for the fad while losing all sights of what coils are meant to do. Just because people make them doesn't make their logic correct. A businesses only logic is $$$$$$

[71camaro]

I think that you are slightly blinded by the fad. The only reason such coil overs exist is because companies saw this stupid trend with uneducated "dubbers" and saw a profit waiting to be made. There is no difference in the design of standard coil over struts wether it be race land or pss9's. They all essentially have the same bodies with different internal valving structure as well as improved adjustments. All coils originated as track oriented tools for adjustment. The only reason you're seeing race lands is because they are made cheap and can lower a car while however being essentially the same design as their race bred for runners. They were never meant to be on road cars. But as I'm sure you know if you introduce anything to make a Vw low, owners will buy it no doubt

EDIT: about the ultra lows, they are the same as any other coil over strut coilover, just with threads further down the bodies and reworked internals so you don't blow the piss out of them when slammed. Hold them up to a racing coil over strut type coilover and you'd be hard pressed to find the difference. Simply made JUST for the fad while losing all sights of what coils are meant to do. Just because people make them doesn't make their logic correct. A businesses only logic is $$$$$$

No, I'm blinded by nothing, you did just win my argument for me though. You said, to paraphrase, that coilovers aren't for lowering, but instead for corner balancing. I said that, no, there are many coils designed for cosmetics, and you agreed that that is how they're marketed and that valving, spring rates, etc., may differ. In other words, sold for lowering. You agreed Ultralows were valved differently and also threaded longer, for lowering.

A good track coil is going to be more than height (preload) adjustable. When the first coilovers were produced and sold they were a purely performance product. But, just like many other items in the automotive world, and other areas as well, their primary purpose when designed has been overshadowed by other uses. A good track coil will still do what it was meant to do, but many now are not produced to nearly as exacting standards, and are not valved or delivered with spring rates for track use, they're sold as a cosmetic tool for people, with domestics, European cars, and JDM tuners, not just "Dubbers."

[vdubb3dan]

The only reason such coil overs exist is because companies saw this stupid trend with uneducated "dubbers"

Every time I hear someone say the word dubber I want to punch them in the face. That said, your screenname is very ironic.

Edit for pic of my broken "stanced" out crappy car. This is not a race car by any means. It's on bags because I like the way it rides, and I can drive or park at whatever height I like.

[x_GTI_x]

^dope.

[NightTrain EX]

Every time I hear someone say the word dubber I want to punch them in the face. That said, your screenname is very ironic.

Edit for pic of my broken "stanced" out crappy car. This is not a race car by any means. It's on bags because I like the way it rides, and I can drive or park at whatever height I like.

I know you're trying to mock those of us that say the OP's car looks broken. But if you can't see the difference between your car and the ridiculously-cambered Mazda then I'm not sure what you're thinking.

[vdubb3dan]

I know you're trying to mock those of us that say the OP's car looks broken. But if you can't see the difference between your car and the ridiculously-cambered Mazda then I'm not sure what you're thinking.

Umm the "op" didn't even post a pic of his car. I actually like the mazda that was posted aside from the camber. My whole point was to each his own. There are alot of trends in the automotive world that I don't like, but I wouldn't go starting a post to "slam" said trends. Not sure what you're thinking.

[Rento_VW]

Hating on slamming is not an option.

[vr6swap]

Has it been noted that this looks cartoonishly fake?

I know the guy who built that truck. The pic was taken from a cellphone IIRC. It's been cleaned up but it's not fake.

[norman]

EDIT: about the ultra lows, they are the same as any other coil over strut coilover, just with threads further down the bodies and reworked internals so you don't blow the piss out of them when slammed. Hold them up to a racing coil over strut type coilover and you'd be hard pressed to find the difference. Simply made JUST for the fad while losing all sights of what coils are meant to do. Just because people make them doesn't make their logic correct. A businesses only logic is $$$$$$

H&R ultra lows predate the stance fad/scene/whatever by quite some time.

I know the guy who built that truck. The pic was taken from a cellphone IIRC. It's been cleaned up but it's not fake.

That truck is sweet, always loved a low dually but that is on another level for me.

[Spray Junkie]

Every time I hear someone say the word dubber I want to punch them in the face. That said, your screenname is very ironic.

My whole point was to each his own.

Wut? I guess except when it comes to how one identifies themself? Also, you have dubb in your screen name

I want to punch you in the face. Its a volkswagen.

Also, burn those headlights with fire

[DUBSfightinRUST]

So much anger in TCL ...

[Spray Junkie]

So much anger in TCL ...

Not actually angry, just pointing out the irony of saying he wants to punch someone in the face based on a screen name, then following it up by saying his whole point was to each his own. Also, those headlights are hideous

[jazzcat2001]

[Tifosi Scuderia]

No, I'm blinded by nothing, you did just win my argument for me though. You said, to paraphrase, that coilovers aren't for lowering, but instead for corner balancing. I said that, no, there are many coils designed for cosmetics, and you agreed that that is how they're marketed and that valving, spring rates, etc., may differ. In other words, sold for lowering. You agreed Ultralows were valved differently and also threaded longer, for lowering.

A good track coil is going to be more than height (preload) adjustable. When the first coilovers were produced and sold they were a purely performance product. But, just like many other items in the automotive world, and other areas as well, their primary purpose when designed has been overshadowed by other uses. A good track coil will still do what it was meant to do, but many now are not produced to nearly as exacting standards, and are not valved or delivered with spring rates for track use, they're sold as a cosmetic tool for people, with domestics, European cars, and JDM tuners, not just "Dubbers."

Well said

[ohsnappe2]

Imma going to take credit for this.

Take this as my apologie

[JettaGT8V80]

first off people stop saying koni and vmaxx are they same they are on two different levels

and a PROPER set up air susp will handle just as well as a PROPER set up of coilovers

people do it for a few reasons one is to looks "cool" others do it because the roads are crappy and they want to look "cool" while maintaining daily driveability

[NightTrain EX]

Umm the "op" didn't even post a pic of his car. I actually like the mazda that was posted aside from the camber. My whole point was to each his own. There are alot of trends in the automotive world that I don't like, but I wouldn't go starting a post to "slam" said trends. Not sure what you're thinking.

Oh crap I thought this was the Mazda 3 thread last night. Damn Johnnie