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Look at the vintage Camaro behind the ZL1. The new Camaro looks like a steam locomotive in comparison and steam locomotives were heavy. All that mass ads up quickly. The same can be said about the Mustang. While both of these amazing and extremely fast cars (Camero ZL1 and Mustang GT500) have a family resemblance to their forefathers I just can't warm up to either of them visually. High belt lines and chopped tops perched on huge wheels makes me think of portable WW11 pill boxes. If I had to choose one or the other I would choose the Mustang as it proportions, to my eye, look a bit less clunky or reminiscent of a Matchbox toy. Which car is the quickest? That conversation will be never ending - unless you live on a track or believe every car magazines tests. Driver input will likely be the deciding factor as to which car wins a race - on or off track. Bench racing requires no time slips and will continue to be enjoyed by all of us that might be just a bit shot on the funds needed to own one of these toys.
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We should be receiving our ZL1 in about a week or so...
1. We can't wait to see what we can do with the Mag Ride suspension with these cars.
2. We can't wait to tear it out and put our newest generation coilovers on it.
And it was all sarcasm.
I get people don't like that the car weighs that much, but it still is going to handle better than most cars on this forum. It's an amazing piece of engineering. The Anti-American sentiment is strong on this board, and it gotten pretty old. Especially now that most american cars are either ahead of the competition or right in line with them.
We received our ZL1 from the dealer yesterday.
Our first impressions are, they really hit the nail on the head for exactly what your Camaro enthusiast wants. It's big, comfortable, quick, and handles pretty well for a vehicle of it's size and weight.
Everyone in the office would much rather be driving our Z06... but it's a pretty neat car. It's going to be fun once we get a chance to tear into this thing and make some changes.
The only legitmately poor looking hard plastic on the current mustang is the door cards, but even the new focus has similarly hard door cards. You learn to get over it once you start it up and begin driving.
The camaro also has throw-back interior design. And the overall dashboard on the car looks ok, but it's the DESIGN (not so much the materials) details that bother me. The shape and placement of gauge surrounds is not pleasant to my eye. I can stand the look of the stereo and the HVAC controls while more compact than the mustang, don't look as pleasant. It all has a cheaper look to it, IMO. I really like that GM gave the Camaro those extra gauges by the shifter, but I also don't like the resulting styling. Overall, there are more awkward looking items in the interior and while the wall of button may look a tad busier, the overall design of the mustang blends better and is simply more coherent, IMO. I also hate the steering wheel on the camaro.
The thing that really bothers me about the Camaro is how claustrophobic it feels inside...the size of the windows and A-pillar and the high belt-line....
If I can afford one, between it and GS Corvette, that might drive me towards the Vette....
I love how the ZL1 looks though, its positively evil looking...
As I think you're stating, these cars are what they are. Modern day pony cars with a retro design. Something about the design of the camaro interior just rubbed me the wrong way ever since I first sat in one. The mustang isn't a model of interior design, but it's far less offensive to look at, to my eye.
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So whats the meaning of these cheap high powered beasts? A last hooray before the government puts a stop to the madness or is this just the beginning?
The thing i guess is that these cars are not particularly bad on fuel either. Not like super cars of yesteryear. So does that mean they are sticking around or will the nanny-state step in eventually, somehow?
I sat in both, and between feeling like a midget in a bathtub, and the clusterf*ck of an interior, I wouldn't buy one.
I respect the ZL1, but my money (if I had any) would go to a GT500.
EDIT: if I had money, it would go to a Z06.
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