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    Thread: 400-450whp clutch setup suggestions

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      04-29-2012 08:06 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Gulfstream View Post
      My experience with FX400 is absolute opposite from yours. Engages at same point all the time with same effect. Great as a DD and superb for trackday work.
      What's Trans?

    2. 04-29-2012 09:14 PM #27
      one thing every one is missing so far is match a clutch to the tq rating NOT hp ..after all thats how they are rated from the clutch manufactures ... for instance our cars even tho they can make 400+ wheel "HP" will still only make about 330+ tq .... and in some cars say 500+ wheel set ups may still make less than 400 tq .... big turbos make hp smaller turbos gt3071 Al's billet 3071 etc will have a bigger tq spike than lets say a 3082 ,35r or bigger ... hence the reason they are so fun to drive ..

      after all Enzo Ferrari said "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" lol

      http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Flywheel/page3

      http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/html/jetta_iv.html

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      04-29-2012 10:54 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by kamahao112 View Post
      one thing every one is missing so far is match a clutch to the tq rating NOT hp ..

      South Bend Stage 3 OFE is the only clutch you will ever need in the single disc department.

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      04-30-2012 12:57 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Gulfstream View Post
      Just glad to help out.
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      What vegeta said.

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      04-30-2012 02:41 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by travis_gli View Post
      What's Trans?
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      04-30-2012 10:17 AM #31
      I dunno about Southbend.. I have their stage II clutch and my F4 and Quaife is making it slip
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      04-30-2012 10:17 AM #32
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      04-30-2012 10:33 AM #33
      I have the south bend stage 2 "drag" with only about 10k miles on it and mine slips.. Didn't make a full dyno pull but at 5.5k I hit 353tq
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      04-30-2012 10:38 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Gulfstream View Post
      02M FML

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      I was thinking about actually pulling the 02M and putting in an 02J but haven't made up my mind yet.

    10. 04-30-2012 02:02 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta021.8t View Post
      I have the south bend stage 2 "drag" with only about 10k miles on it and mine slips.. Didn't make a full dyno pull but at 5.5k I hit 353tq
      hence the term DRAG... not really ment to last

      Quote Originally Posted by travis_gli View Post
      I was thinking about actually pulling the 02M and putting in an 02J but haven't made up my mind yet.
      dont do it .. just do a fx300 and call it a day

      ive installed a few of them in the 02m as well as a dxd stage 3 daily and i prefer the fx300 for smoother engagement and a lighter pedal pressure vs the dxd aka south bend

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      04-30-2012 02:32 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by kamahao112 View Post
      dont do it .. just do a fx300 and call it a day

      ive installed a few of them in the 02m as well as a dxd stage 3 daily and i prefer the fx300 for smoother engagement and a lighter pedal pressure vs the dxd aka south bend
      I may only do so if the FX400 goes out. Not going to throw $1500 down the drain.

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      04-30-2012 02:58 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by burkechrs1 View Post
      Not to threa jack but I'm making this decision right now too.

      Billet 3071r, fx300 or fx400?

      Would the 300 handle the torque spoke the bullet 3071 will make?
      Mike hood(ringer racing) suggested a 240mm fx400 for my setup. (2.1l stroker w/pag billet 3071) and this is on a Quattro a4 so I'm sure it would hold up just fine for you.
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      04-30-2012 03:24 PM #38
      a lot of people posting in here with the exception of 3 or 4..dont work in a shop and dont have a car making over 350ft.lbs or 400whp....

      it's either this guy told me to, but he has never runt he clutch, or but i wanna have this sweet unsprung, pucked clutch cos it's the cool ****.


      take it from some of the people, cough, who have had some clutches on some higher powered cars over the years.


      the cycle of famous internet parts is retarded.


      fx300 will be better to drive, hold up fine to 400+ft.lbs and last.

      the 400 is not as easy to drive and yes it will hold up, but are you looking to make 450ft.lbs? cos if so...your gonna need a huge ass turbo. not anything posted so far.

      kamahao,gilfstream,myself and others are telling you. the 400 is good but the 300 will suit your needs, and it will continue to unless you go with something like a gt40 or 366 or 6567,etc
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      What vegeta said.

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      04-30-2012 04:10 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Vegeta Gti View Post

      the 400 is not as easy to drive and yes it will hold up, but are you looking to make 450ft.lbs? cos if so...your gonna need a huge ass turbo. not anything posted so far.

      kamahao,gilfstream,myself and others are telling you. the 400 is good but the 300 will suit your needs, and it will continue to unless you go with something like a gt40 or 366 or 6567,etc

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      04-30-2012 05:14 PM #40
      Now if I'm at 350tq at the wheel I should be close to or at 400 at flywheel?
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    16. 04-30-2012 05:25 PM #41
      I'm running the Southbend stage 4 or 5. Pedal feels almost stock and holds the power. Grabs right off the floor and fully engaged by 2 inches or so of movement. Plus it was cheap.

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      04-30-2012 08:13 PM #42
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      04-30-2012 09:11 PM #43
      Does anyone have the actual torque specs of the FX300/400?

      I tried looking on the website but it only mentions HP.

      EDIT - Found this on audizine

      Originally Posted by Ringer Racing
      ClutchMasters 228mm Torque Rating at the Flywheel
      FX100 - 290 ft lbs
      FX300 - 360 ft lbs
      FX400 - 460 ft lbs

      ClutchMasters 240mm Torque Rating at the Flywheel
      FX100 - 425 ft lbs
      FX200 - 425 ft lbs
      FX300 - 525 ft lbs
      FX400 - 675 ft lbs
      Last edited by burkechrs1; 04-30-2012 at 09:14 PM.

    19. 05-01-2012 01:02 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta021.8t View Post
      Now if I'm at 350tq at the wheel I should be close to or at 400 at flywheel?
      Quote Originally Posted by burkechrs1 View Post
      Does anyone have the actual torque specs of the FX300/400?

      I tried looking on the website but it only mentions HP.

      EDIT - Found this on audizine
      looks like the fx300 will fit the bill in the 240 02m line up ^^^

    20. 05-01-2012 06:57 AM #45
      My car dynoed 398whp/340lb.tq @ 24psi and still on OEM cluthch ('05 GLI 6sp almost 2 yrs as BT). As a daily, it holds the power pretty well....a slip here and there but still holds well. I went with clutchnet kevlar/kevlar full disc, which is the equivalent of fx300....just waiting for OEM clutch to slip a lil more before changing to the new one In other words, any kevlar/kevlar full disc should hold more than fine.
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      05-01-2012 09:31 AM #46
      ClutchMasters 228mm Torque Rating at the Flywheel
      FX400 - 460 ft lbs

      -Guess its good I got the fx400 and not the fx300
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      05-01-2012 09:31 AM #47
      Thanks again for all of the info, guys.

      Vegeta Gti and burkechrs1, thanks for the specific info. I think I will look into the 240mm fx300.

      I'm planning to probably run a billet 3071r, but may do a gtx3076 depending on some research. Gotta keep up with my brother's civic or I'll never hear the end of it.
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    23. 05-01-2012 01:27 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by GLIIII View Post
      Thanks again for all of the info, guys.

      Vegeta Gti and burkechrs1, thanks for the specific info. I think I will look into the 240mm fx300.

      I'm planning to probably run a billet 3071r, but may do a gtx3076 depending on some research. Gotta keep up with my brother's civic or I'll never hear the end of it.

      billet 71 and cams

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      05-01-2012 02:55 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by kamahao112 View Post
      billet 71 and cams
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      Quote Originally Posted by .Ant View Post
      What vegeta said.

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      05-01-2012 03:37 PM #50
      One thing I'm confused about it how do they jump from a 228mm flywheel to a 240mm flywheel and not have any problems with the starter? I thought starters were designed for a specific amount of teeth and size of a flywheel.

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