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      04-27-2012 08:13 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by MustacheGT View Post
      Nikon is the only camera company that produces only cameras IIRC
      Not sure why it would matter, but regardless, you're wrong. Nikon makes other optical products such as scopes and binoculars. I haven't looked, but I believe Leica only makes photo equipment.

      OP, the post DeathLens gave has a ton of good info in it.

      If you're looking for used gear, you might want to check out this place. It's primarily a Canon site, but you see Nikon gear up for sale on occasion.

      As far as Sony cameras, I'm sure they make fine cameras, but if you're looking at photography as a long-term hobby, and want to expand your gear list / lens collection, I'd stick w/ Canon or Nikon.
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      04-27-2012 08:32 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by MustacheGT View Post
      Nikon is the only camera company that produces only cameras IIRC
      I'm a total Nikon guy... I've got a D80 and a wide range of lenses/flashes/accessories.

      But the concept of "they only make camera's so they must be better" doesn't hold much water IMHO.

      GE makes light bulbs and Jet Engines... and both rock. So the thought that a company cannot do more than 1 thing well seems kinda silly.

      Anywho, OP- Go hold both, and go play with both... get the camera that feels best in your hand and is most intuitive to you.

      Also, get a decent post processing program and take a class (if you're new to it). Have fun and keep shooting!!!
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      04-27-2012 08:34 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by DeathLens View Post
      If you can, get yourself into your nearest camera store and feel all of them out: play around with them, move dials, hold it in your hand every which way you can think of, take some shots, and check out other lenses. When you look at camera's this close in the same range it really comes down to feel and how you pick up on where all the buttons.
      I came here to post this, when I made the decision I went to Best Buy and played around with Canon and Nikon. I eventually went with Nikon because it felt better.
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      04-27-2012 09:10 AM #29
      DSLR is incompatible with my lifestyle. The camera bodies are freakin' huge. The bigger the camera, the less likely I'm going to lug it around with me.

      I think most people would be better off with a premium compact camera like the Canon PowerShot G12. Really good lens. 28mm lens with 5x optical zoom. HD video clips. It fits in your pocket. MSRP $499 and an internet street price of $400-ish with no tax and free shipping.

      I have an Olympus Micro 4/3 camera with a bunch of lenses and an electronic viewfinder. It's halfway between a DSLR and a premium compact. Most of the time, I'd be better served having a premium compact.

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      04-27-2012 09:13 AM #30
      I work with Matt aka Deathlens, he hit the nail on the head. Aside from getting a D90 I'd steer clear of Nikon for the simple fact that you have to dive in to the menus to change simple things, which isn't intuitive at all. Sony and Canon do a much better job at giving you a user friendly ergonomic layout(on the entry level cameras). If you want to use your camera in full auto all the time, like a point and shoot then any of them will work perfectly fine, but if you plan on getting creative the Canon and Sony would be better suited for your needs.
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      04-27-2012 09:29 AM #31
      I went through the same dilemma before going to Peru.

      I ended up getting a Cannon (t1i or t3i...its too early to remember right now) with the standard 18-55mm lens. I also picked up another lens (can't remember off the top of my head) that basically takes great portraits but isn't able to zoom. Its good for focusing in on one object and making the rest blurry (scientific explaination).

      I think the original camera body/lens combo was like $700 or so new, and the extra lens was $100.

      Either way, I would recommend buying as early as you can along with a book explaining how to use it. Kind of a "Canon t3i for dummies" deal. You'll take better pictures on the trip. These things have plenty of automatic setting options, but they also let you play around manually (which is kind of the point). The book will help you understand these settings.

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      04-27-2012 09:34 AM #32
      Canon point and shoot. You think you'll carry the DSLR around at first until you realize it's big, bulky, and generally a pain in the ass to carry around....especially if you want to travel with it. I got the wife a Canon S100 for Xmas and it does everything our Nikon DSLR can do, but we actually take it places.
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      04-27-2012 09:41 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by GeoffD View Post
      DSLR is incompatible with my lifestyle. The camera bodies are freakin' huge. The bigger the camera, the less likely I'm going to lug it around with me.

      I think most people would be better off with a premium compact camera like the Canon PowerShot G12. Really good lens. 28mm lens with 5x optical zoom. HD video clips. It fits in your pocket. MSRP $499 and an internet street price of $400-ish with no tax and free shipping.

      I have an Olympus Micro 4/3 camera with a bunch of lenses and an electronic viewfinder. It's halfway between a DSLR and a premium compact. Most of the time, I'd be better served having a premium compact.
      IMO, it's the premium compacts that are a waste of time. If the idea is to have a camera on you at all times, then a cell phone serves that purpose quite nicely. The premium compacts may be smaller than DSLR's, but it's a moot point; they're still big enough that you'll leave them home most of the time, and a camera left at home only has theoretical advantages over a cell phone camera.

      If you set out with the purpose of taking pics, you might as well carry a DSLR. A DSLR with a small prime lens is easy enough to carry around, and the huge array of lenses and accessories available make them real, no excuses professional tools.

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      04-27-2012 09:46 AM #34
      Whatever DSLR you end up with, I can't recommend the Black Rapid RS-4 strap enough: http://www.blackrapid.com/product/camera-strap/rs-4/

      It's well worth the price of admission. I've used this strap on two major trips (south of France and Rome) as well as weekend excursions (Nürburgring, etc) and it has been amazing.

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      04-27-2012 09:59 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk1Racer View Post
      Not sure why it would matter, but regardless, you're wrong. Nikon makes other optical products such as scopes and binoculars. I haven't looked, but I believe Leica only makes photo equipment.
      incorrect, I think they make surveying equipment as well...

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      04-27-2012 10:18 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      If you set out with the purpose of taking pics, you might as well carry a DSLR. A DSLR with a small prime lens is easy enough to carry around, and the huge array of lenses and accessories available make them real, no excuses professional tools.

      Nothing beats a high quality lens on a DSL camera to take tack sharp pictures.

      ... except if you leave it at home.
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      04-27-2012 10:23 AM #37
      I know it's a little out-dated but back when I bought my Canon 400D I ended up choosing it over the Nikon D40 because of the ergonomics and size of the camera. The D40 was a bit on the small side and it just wasn't comfortable to hold. My $0.02.

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      04-27-2012 10:26 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by matty_1425 View Post
      I work with Matt aka Deathlens, he hit the nail on the head. Aside from getting a D90 I'd steer clear of Nikon for the simple fact that you have to dive in to the menus to change simple things, which isn't intuitive at all. Sony and Canon do a much better job at giving you a user friendly ergonomic layout(on the entry level cameras). If you want to use your camera in full auto all the time, like a point and shoot then any of them will work perfectly fine, but if you plan on getting creative the Canon and Sony would be better suited for your needs.
      Dang, this is sad for me to read. I have an Nikon D50 — while I love the old thing, I have been pondering an upgrade for awhile. What's held me back is the fact that it is so simple to use and that it has screw-drive autofocus for my old 50mm f/1.4D.

      I had been thinking about getting a refurb'd D5100 and a new "G" 50mm, but statements like the above make me think I need to get a D7000 (or 7100 once it comes out) and keep my old 50.
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      04-27-2012 10:31 AM #39
      If you're interesting in learning about photography pickup a D90, as alluded to earlier it brings more of the functions out of sub menus and into direct control. Having 2 wheels and a top LCD screen make things far easier imo.

      If you just want to take good pictures get a D3200.
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      04-27-2012 10:46 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      Dang, this is sad for me to read. I have an Nikon D50 — while I love the old thing, I have been pondering an upgrade for awhile. What's held me back is the fact that it is so simple to use and that it has screw-drive autofocus for my old 50mm f/1.4D.

      I had been thinking about getting a refurb'd D5100 and a new "G" 50mm, but statements like the above make me think I need to get a D7000 (or 7100 once it comes out) and keep my old 50.
      This was my route. As a noob, I started with a D50 to get a feel of the SLR, settings, shooting manual, etc. Then I stepped up to a D90 because it had video and more features to learn/polish up on my skills. Then as a final step I decided to move to a D7000 and this is the camera I'll be keeping for a long time. Better seals, materials, AF points and sensor. Notice I didn't mention MP count because it really does not matter unless you're doing commercial print work.

      Best thing about the aforementioned upgrades, it was easy to turn around ans sell my old bodies to offset the cost for the new stuff. Almost got as much for the D50 as I paid new and recouped 3/4 of the price of the D90. Nikon stuff holds its value.

      As far as glass goes, I carry a general all purpose lens, 18-200mm VR. I rarely take this off. Sure, it is not as fast as an f2.8, but it was a fraction of the cost and the results are pretty damn good. If I want tack sharp photos in low light, I break out my primes, 50mm and 35mm f1.8s and let my legs and imagination do the zooming. Best thing, these are cheap lenses for the first time photographer.

      I'll echo some of the other thoughts here, out of the box straps suck. I have a Crupmler The Industry Disgrace neck strap. Best purchase to date. And get yourself a good tripod. Please, no Sunpak or BestBuy crap. Scour CL for used stuff. I grabbed barely used Manfrotto 190XPRO tripod with a Manfrotto 400 series ball head for $100.

      And if you are just learning, read up too. Some of the best books out there are:

      Tom Ang - Digital Photography Masterclass
      Bryan Peterson - Understanding Exposure
      Scott Kelby - The Digital Photography Book

      And grab a Digital Field Guide for whichever camera you choose. Best of luck!
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      04-27-2012 11:32 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      This was my route. As a noob, I started with a D50 to get a feel of the SLR, settings, shooting manual, etc. Then I stepped up to a D90 because it had video and more features to learn/polish up on my skills. Then as a final step I decided to move to a D7000 and this is the camera I'll be keeping for a long time. Better seals, materials, AF points and sensor. Notice I didn't mention MP count because it really does not matter unless you're doing commercial print work.
      Thanks! One of my friends has the D7000 and loves it, I just didn't know I needed it until I learned they dumbed down the midrange gear. I've had the D50 since 2005. I have an 18-70mm (D70 kit lens, slightly fancy), a 1.4 50mm, the wireless remote and a little SB400 flash and that combination does just about everything I need.

      I'm not pro by any means — but I know my way around a camera and have shot a few weddings as favors for family members on tight budgets. My background is graphic design and I made hardcover coffee table books which got all kinds of comments encouraging me to go professional. But I enjoy photography as a hobby and don't think I would care for it as much if it turned into a job, especially stressed-out bridezilla-type weddings.

      I bought a refurb'd D5000 a few years ago, shot my sister's wedding on it (along with a borrowed 50mm f/1.4G for the portraits) then gave the camera and an 18-55 IS to her as a wedding present. The progress they've made in a few short years is amazing! The extra resolution is nice (for cropping) and it has much better dynamic range — but what really impressed me were the shots I could pull off when shooting handheld in twilight at 3200+ ISO with the 1.4. Felt like magic.
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    17. 04-27-2012 11:52 AM #42
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      I'm in the market for a DSLR so I can stop using my cell phone for pictures. I'm on the fence between the Canon T3i or NIkon D5100.

      Now I'm not sure which to get because comparing the is basically a wash. I'm leaning more towards the Canons because of its lens compatibility. I'm also going to buy used to save some cash since I'm going back to Europe for another three months. I'd like to add since I'm buying used, I'd rather not spend north of $700 including a lens.

      Which camera would the OT photographers recommend and what else should I look out for other than the obvious checking of the camera sensor, lens, (physical and front and back focusing) and general wear and tear?

      Canon T3i



      Nikon D5100



      Which brand do your friends/family use? Most of my friends use Canon, so I bought one as well, that way we can usually borrow each others lenses.

      The other thing is Canon and Nikon are the most popular cameras, so there are services you can rent the cool lenses from and they usually carry more lenses compatible with these 2 makes.

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      04-27-2012 12:19 PM #43
      It's honestly the same ****. Entry level cameras really aren't different from eachother.

      That being said, are you going to use it for video ever?

      Get the Canon.

      Do you care about how good the photos look in low light situations?

      Get the Nikon.
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      04-27-2012 12:20 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by MustacheGT View Post
      Nikon is the only camera company that produces only cameras IIRC
      I'm pretty sure they all make medical glass.
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      04-27-2012 12:24 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by MustacheGT View Post
      Nikon is the only camera company that produces only cameras IIRC
      Not sure why that would matter. Besides it's not even like Nikon makes their camera fully in house, they buy their sensors from Sony.
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    21. 04-27-2012 12:32 PM #46
      You can't go wrong with either one. They're both about the same when you compare the specs. If you were looking at $1200+ cameras, I'd say go with Nikon (only because I'm partial) but honestly for the ones you're looking into, either one will fit the bill. If you have friends/family that shoot, you should consider matching their gear so you can borrow lenses and ask questions. I shoot Nikon but my wife shoots Canon. She's currently in the market for the Canon T3i as well. I've seen them for as low as $450 on Craigslist with 2 lenses.
      I'll tell you what I tell anyone looking at new cameras. Go to the store and play with both brands. A lot of the time, people pick their cameras based on where the controls are located on the back. I chose Nikon partially because the buttons were placed where my thumbs fell on the back panel. Not to mention Nikon uses outstanding glass in their products.

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      04-27-2012 12:41 PM #47
      I has Canon. Others in my family have Canon. Friends have Canon. I know one who has a Nikon DSL, and it was only because it was cheaper.
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      04-27-2012 01:49 PM #48
      Also, if you aren't planning on spending a lot of money, Pentax is the best bang for your buck.
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      04-27-2012 02:30 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by MustacheGT View Post
      Nikon is the only camera company that produces only cameras IIRC
      Umm no. And even if it were the case, it's irrelevant.

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      04-27-2012 03:11 PM #50
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