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      04-28-2012 05:02 PM #36
      Sarpendon,

      How is it that you come to the conclusion that the manufacture is not responsible given what has been posted. Again, bolts are meant to secure things...that being the case if a blolt backs out due to no fault of the owner why would the owner or dealership be at fault.

      I believe the dealer should have done a better inspection but if the bolt backed out...the dealer nor the owner would have anything to do with that. The warranty on this would be tricky in my eyes...because a bolt backing out should never happen. So based on the warranty stand point they can deny it but a bolt backing out...manufacture issue if you ask me. Either design or installation at factory...I do not think its design but more and more threads are showing up about flywheel issues.

      Just my thoughts...

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      04-28-2012 05:04 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by zevion View Post
      Reminds me of when the DSG mechatronic issue came up. Some people walked into their dealer and got a new mech no issue. Some walked in and were told everything was as normal, go away.

      I'm learning not to trust VW. I should check my flywheel bolts.
      This and the tensioner failing have me worried

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      04-28-2012 05:47 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Im not Av. View Post
      This and the tensioner failing have me worried
      the tensioner is no big deal at all... it's really easy to diagnose and nip in the bud. but i will check my flywheel bolts as soon as possible whenever i can. i am indeed concerned about that.

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      04-28-2012 06:33 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by 10Ten View Post
      the tensioner is no big deal at all... it's really easy to diagnose and nip in the bud. but i will check my flywheel bolts as soon as possible whenever i can. i am indeed concerned about that.

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      There is a check port for the flywheel, its about an inch in diameter. You can use a flathead to check for play. A very small amount of play is normal, anything in excess of 5mm of play is cause to have it checked out.

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      04-28-2012 08:58 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by kidplatinum View Post
      Sarpendon,

      How is it that you come to the conclusion that the manufacture is not responsible given what has been posted. Again, bolts are meant to secure things...that being the case if a blolt backs out due to no fault of the owner why would the owner or dealership be at fault.
      VW had the following warranties for the R32:

      Bumper-to-Bumper - 48k/4yr
      Drivetrain - 60k/5yr
      DSG - 100k/10yr

      Beta unfortunately is somewhere north of 83k miles (as he mentioned in his other thread), hence the drivetrain warranty no longer applies.
      Outside of warranty, if things break (for whatever reason), I'd imagine we're pretty much on our own (unless I'm mistaken on how warranties work).


      I believe the dealer should have done a better inspection but if the bolt backed out...the dealer nor the owner would have anything to do with that. The warranty on this would be tricky in my eyes...because a bolt backing out should never happen. So based on the warranty stand point they can deny it but a bolt backing out...manufacture issue if you ask me. Either design or installation at factory...I do not think its design but more and more threads are showing up about flywheel issues.

      Just my thoughts...
      I agree with you saying the dealer should have done a better inspection, which maybe could have prevented all of this.

      But like I said above, the car is ~20k miles over the warranty on the drivetrain. At what point would we agree that mechanical parts can start to fail? 100k miles? 200k? Never?
      When is a manufacturer no longer 'on the hook' when things break?

      What happened to Beta sucks, and I hope his issue gets resolved soon, but I don't think it's fair to demand or expect VW to 'fix' this (like some of the comments on FB seem to be asking), when as far as I can tell have done nothing wrong.

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      04-28-2012 09:33 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Sarpedon View Post
      When is a manufacturer no longer 'on the hook' when things break?
      How many cars have you heard of that are tango-uniform as a direct result of flywheel bolt failure?


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      04-29-2012 12:19 AM #42
      UNLESS it is proven that the issue was due to the MOD directly then warranty stands good. Technically they can say a small mod voids all the warranty. At least that was my understanding...
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      04-29-2012 01:29 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam's .:R32 View Post
      UNLESS it is proven that the issue was due to the MOD directly then warranty stands good. Technically they can say a small mod voids all the warranty. At least that was my understanding...
      What warranty?


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      04-29-2012 09:42 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by RU1NED View Post
      What warranty?


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      I see he is out of it... :/ this make the situation stickier. Good luck Shawn



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      04-30-2012 03:35 PM #45
      VOA does do secret shopping on dealerships.Warranties are not forever and unfortunately you are out of it.I would try to reach for the Service MAnager or owner and see what kind of help you can get

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      04-30-2012 06:04 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by BetaOp9 View Post
      There is a check port for the flywheel, its about an inch in diameter. You can use a flathead to check for play. A very small amount of play is normal, anything in excess of 5mm of play is cause to have it checked out.
      Shawn, hope this works out for you. This tidbit is interesting. Where is the inspection port located?

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      04-30-2012 10:21 PM #47
      Wow. After reading all this I'm glad I bought an extended warranty when I got my car. **** sucks.
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      05-01-2012 12:56 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by ryeboy View Post
      Shawn, hope this works out for you. This tidbit is interesting. Where is the inspection port located?
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      05-01-2012 03:32 PM #49
      After being approached by 3 individuals on this forum and now finding this...I'm going to do my best to get this KNOWN by the dealership network and possibly addressed. Read on, sounds like a similar situation as mine.

      http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110711

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      05-01-2012 05:24 PM #50
      Hey Shawn, did you get that email I sent you regarding my flywheel paper work?
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      05-01-2012 06:01 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by BetaOp9 View Post
      After being approached by 3 individuals on this forum and now finding this...I'm going to do my best to get this KNOWN by the dealership network and possibly addressed. Read on, sounds like a similar situation as mine.

      http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110711
      Tried to PM you but it said you are max'd out.

      I wanted to ask you a quick question. Did they give you a breakdown on the price of the parts, the hourly labor rate and the amount of labor hours they are quoting? At this point it doesn't seem like its going to get "covered" in any way by VW but I can try and help you chop the bill down.

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      05-01-2012 06:16 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike@LindenVW View Post
      Tried to PM you but it said you are max'd out.

      I wanted to ask you a quick question. Did they give you a breakdown on the price of the parts, the hourly labor rate and the amount of labor hours they are quoting? At this point it doesn't seem like its going to get "covered" in any way by VW but I can try and help you chop the bill down.

      Feel free to respond by PM.
      I think it's great that we have people from dealership involved in the community. Wish there was more good people like those that are around.

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      05-01-2012 07:41 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Kzoo View Post
      Hey Shawn, did you get that email I sent you regarding my flywheel paper work?
      I did, thank you.

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      05-01-2012 10:05 PM #54
      Oh man those videos support that my flywheel is bad :[

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      05-02-2012 01:56 PM #55
      I'll add my 2 cents on this- having dealt with 2 VW dealers here in AB, and others in WA, OR and AZ before, it's like night and day between some of them.
      Classic example:
      I'd mentioned in a thread at the time that I had my serpentine tensioner replaced in Arizona over the holidays as it was buzzing its way down I-15.. yet when I got back home and the buzzing noise was back, next service at my regular dealer revealed that North Scottsdale had only replaced the UPPER tensioner, and not the lower one as well.

      Nice way to cheap out there, guys.

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