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    1. 04-28-2012 02:26 AM #1
      What cars still offer CVT's? My GF's 08 Sentra has one and it feels fine to drive; works well. I've driven a number of Calibers with them, and they work really well in there. It seems like OEM's are going to even more multi-geared automatics and abandoning CVT's; what has them? Am I nuts?
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      04-28-2012 02:29 AM #2
      Subarus and Nissans have them, as do Honda hybrids and the Mitsubishi Lancer/Outlander Sport. Toyota hybrids aren't CVTs but act like one.

      I didn't care for the one I had in a Sentra rental -- but I've heard they're better in the V6 Nissans.
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      04-28-2012 02:30 AM #3
      I don't care, I'm incredibly glad they're gone...
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    4. 04-28-2012 02:30 AM #4
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      I don't care, I'm incredibly glad they're gone...
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      04-28-2012 03:17 AM #6
      I haven't liked the CVT in any car I've driven outside of the Nissan Maxima. I feel as though the Nissan CVT + V6 is great in any application it's in.
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      04-28-2012 03:18 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
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      I don't mean to sound like an ass or anything, I've driven some Nissans with the CVT and I REALLY didn't like the fact that it felt like I was behind the wheel of a boat with that engine noise..
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    8. 04-28-2012 03:32 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by IridiumB6 View Post
      I don't mean to sound like an ass or anything, I've driven some Nissans with the CVT and I REALLY didn't like the fact that it felt like I was behind the wheel of a boat with that engine noise..
      Does it help to think of it as a snowmobile?

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      04-28-2012 03:59 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      I haven't liked the CVT in any car I've driven outside of the Nissan Maxima. I feel as though the Nissan CVT + V6 is great in any application it's in.
      I respect your opinion, but I beg to differ. The rental Maxima I had on an interstate drive was horrible with the CVT. It made what was otherwise a very good car feel horrible to drive.

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      04-28-2012 07:04 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      What cars still suffer from CVT's?
      FTFY.

      The new 7-speed autos are so much better than the CVTs were that they took over.
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      04-28-2012 07:08 AM #11
      Having spent some good time behind one in a new Subaru Outback, its a fine transmission that works very well with that motor. The problem with them is a combination of bad motor choice and people just not being used to them. I would rather a CVT than a 7 or an 8 speed automatic that has to constantly jump around. Ive read some reviews of multispeed automatics in the RR Sport and they say that, like many others, it just cannot figure out what gear to be in.

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      04-28-2012 07:50 AM #12
      I recently had a rental Legacy that had one that was pretty decent. It had no discernible negatives to me for normal driving, and even had paddle 'shifters'. If it was partially responsible for the 32mpg I saw, I'm good with that.
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      04-28-2012 08:00 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by sethgood View Post
      Does it help to think of it as a snowmobile?
      At least some else knows where they originated.

      Actually I'd rather have CVT's as automatic transmissions, than the traditional gear or clutch pack driven ones. Less moving parts which equals less failure.
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      04-28-2012 08:20 AM #14
      Audi still uses the Multitronic CVT, and it works fine.

    15. 04-28-2012 09:59 AM #15
      I have a Freestyle with the CVT. I hate it.

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      04-28-2012 10:29 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by zhenya00 View Post
      I recently had a rental Legacy that had one that was pretty decent. It had no discernible negatives to me for normal driving, and even had paddle 'shifters'. If it was partially responsible for the 32mpg I saw, I'm good with that.
      It was.

      To be honest I like the CVT in our Outback, but it does take some getting used to and it doesn't drive like a traditional automatic.

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      04-28-2012 10:33 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      I respect your opinion, but I beg to differ. The rental Maxima I had on an interstate drive was horrible with the CVT. It made what was otherwise a very good car feel horrible to drive.
      Although I wouldn't say "horrible", I too didn't like the Maxima CVT rental I had a few years ago.
      The lack of gear changes is just unnatural sounding behind the wheel.
      It feels like the transmission is in a constant state of slipping.
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      04-28-2012 10:36 AM #18
      We had a Freestyle with a CVT before our Flex and I absolutely hated it. My wife also hated it enough to trade for the Flex so I guess in a way I'm glade it had a CVT. The only thing worse than driving a vehicle without a clutch pedal is driving one with a CVT IMO

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      04-28-2012 10:48 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Ghost85 View Post
      At least some else knows where they originated.

      Actually I'd rather have CVT's as automatic transmissions, than the traditional gear or clutch pack driven ones. Less moving parts which equals less failure.
      Reliability on CVTs across the market has been significantly worse than any other transmission type. Just because there are less parts does not mean less failure, especially when you are relying on a steel belt being gripped by the sides by two "pulleys" of changing diameter to transfer up to 280 hp.
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      04-28-2012 11:23 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by VAB5 View Post
      Audi still uses the Multitronic CVT, and it works fine.
      Really? You like it? I think it is one of the worst transmissions I've ever used. It has a mind of its own. Do not want.

    21. 04-28-2012 11:51 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by eweu View Post
      Really? You like it? I think it is one of the worst transmissions I've ever used. It has a mind of its own. Do not want.

      All auto's have a mind of their own, that's kind of the point.

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      04-28-2012 11:58 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      What cars still offer CVT's? My GF's 08 Sentra has one and it feels fine to drive; works well. I've driven a number of Calibers with them, and they work really well in there. It seems like OEM's are going to even more multi-geared automatics and abandoning CVT's; what has them? Am I nuts?
      Nissan, Subaru and Audi seem to embrace them vs other OE's. I have extensive experience with Nissan's and I prefer it to a traditional automatic.

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      04-28-2012 12:45 PM #23
      FWD Nissans
      Real hybrids

      Nissan is the only company that can make a normal car with a CVT not seem like a POS. Everyone else seems to prefer 6+speed autos or DSGs.

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      04-28-2012 12:54 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by VeeDubDriver View Post
      Nissan, Subaru and Audi seem to embrace them vs other OE's. I have extensive experience with Nissan's and I prefer it to a traditional automatic.
      Which Audi models have CVT?

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      04-28-2012 12:56 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by randy View Post
      Which Audi models have CVT?
      Any with FWD.

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      04-28-2012 12:59 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by VeeDubDriver View Post
      Any with FWD.
      ...and a longitudinally mounted engine.

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      Quote Originally Posted by eweu View Post
      ...and a longitudinally mounted engine.
      yup, that too!

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      04-28-2012 01:11 PM #28
      I've had a couple of scooters with CVTs and was fine with them. Drove a Jeep Patriot with one and found myself endlessly fascinated with how it worked. I guess riding scooters prepared me for the experience.

      I would prefer a CVT to a conventional automatic, depending on the application. In a mainstream car or crossover where fuel economy is important, a CVT makes a lot of sense to me. But in a sporty car or a truck-ish vehicle, I don't think I'd like it nearly as much.
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    29. 04-28-2012 01:16 PM #29
      I think Subaru has done a good job with it's cvt. I also didn't mind the Nissan Murano I drove with a cvt. My only worry with Subaru is longevity, it works great but anything with a "lifetime" fluid bothers me.

    30. 04-28-2012 01:34 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by roccostud View Post
      I think Subaru has done a good job with it's cvt. I also didn't mind the Nissan Murano I drove with a cvt. My only worry with Subaru is longevity, it works great but anything with a "lifetime" fluid bothers me.

      If it bothers you just change it every 60k or whatever you feel comfortable with.

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      04-28-2012 01:41 PM #31
      Nissan's seem to be OK but the one in the Caliber/Patriot/Compass etc. is awful and useless.

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      04-28-2012 01:44 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by roccostud View Post
      I think Subaru has done a good job with it's cvt. I also didn't mind the Nissan Murano I drove with a cvt. My only worry with Subaru is longevity, it works great but anything with a "lifetime" fluid bothers me.
      We have an '11 Outback with CVT, I also agree it works great in it's application, but an Outback is not a sporty car by any means. My buddy has a newer Maxima with a CVT, but I personally would not want CVT in a more sport oriented car.

      I don't think CVT's are going anywhere, in fact I think they might be gaining momentum in lower priced cars. I don't think manufactures can make a business case for 7 & 8 speed transmissions in sub $25K vehicles. Even Subaru has just developed their Gen II CVT in the new Imprezza which is supposed to be the best driving CVT yet (I have not driven this car though)

      I also trust Subaru as they were the first company to bring the CVT to North America in the late 80's with the Justy, albeit probably the worst CVT ever made, I'm sure they have learned to do it right.

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      04-28-2012 02:03 PM #33
      Nissan, Subaru, and Audi have soldiered on with pulley CVTs, so the more interesting question to me is who has abandoned them?

      GM (Saturn), Ford, and MINI all had CVTs available in the last decade, but not anymore. All of those vehicles are considered reliability time bombs, and I've personally known people with $3k repair bills even after GM paid for half. Those makes aren't using them anymore for a reason.

      At least the others seem to know what they're doing.

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      04-28-2012 08:27 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by sethgood View Post
      Does it help to think of it as a snowmobile?
      This was exactly my impression when I test drove a Ford Freestyle(?) a few years back. Maybe it helped that it was snowing like a banshee that day but I thought it was kinda fun.
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      04-28-2012 08:52 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Toaster29 View Post
      Reliability on CVTs across the market has been significantly worse than any other transmission type. Just because there are less parts does not mean less failure, especially when you are relying on a steel belt being gripped by the sides by two "pulleys" of changing diameter to transfer up to 280 hp.
      That, and once they fail your only practical option is to buy a brand new oem CVT, which will probably be .. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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