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    Thread: In what year did Honda officially become lame and boring?

    1. 04-28-2012 01:54 AM #1
      In the 80s and early 90s, at least, Honda was the bomb. Sure, they didn't make cars with big torque, and their cars weren't drop dead gorgeous, but outside of that, their cars were beautifully engineered and more attractive than what Toyota was putting out, while also being more fun to drive.

      Today, there isn't a single Honda I would buy.

      When did Honda become so lame? And why?

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      04-28-2012 02:02 AM #2
      mid 2000s

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      04-28-2012 02:13 AM #3
      I would say after 2000...that was the last good Civic. Accords got boring after 1997.

      But..the caveat to that is the S2000...that lead Honda to 2009.

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      04-28-2012 02:15 AM #4
      yeah, mid 2000's when they nerfed the s2k, didnt give us the euro civic hatch or a decent SI, quit making the rsx and started making a truck.

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      04-28-2012 02:17 AM #5
      Accord died in 1998
      Civic died in 2001
      Prelude died in 2001
      Integra died in 2001 (although the RSX was a decent replacement)
      RSX died in 2006

      Take an average, but I think 2002 would be a good guess.

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      04-28-2012 02:29 AM #6
      When the 2001 Civic gained struts over front wishbones was a sign to me that the engineering excellence of Honda had fallen to the bean counters. Sure there was an S2000 to hold us over for more than a decade, but recall that it was designed and launched before 2000..

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      04-28-2012 02:31 AM #7
      I think after the S2000 was gone.

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      04-28-2012 03:03 AM #8
      Makes me appreciate my car all that much more.

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      04-28-2012 03:17 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by sforsancho View Post
      When the 2001 Civic gained struts over front wishbones was a sign to me that the engineering excellence of Honda had fallen to the bean counters. Sure there was an S2000 to hold us over for more than a decade, but recall that it was designed and launched before 2000..

      Basically when this



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      Actually, I'll disagree with you there ...

      The 7th Gen Civics were actually very well designed cars. The chassis was great and it handled like it was on rails, but they crippled it with a crappy engine ... the D17s were just WAY too lean burning and way too underpowered.

      That being said, take an EX with the SOHC VTEC or the EP3 hatch around an AutoX course and you'll see how that chassis and gear box shined.

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      04-28-2012 04:03 AM #10
      "Officially"? Probably 2011 when the CR-Z fell flat in reviews and sales performance, and the new Civic was widely panned by critics and enthusiasts.

      The trend started at different times for different lines. The '03 Accord, the first specifically segregated for North America versus the rest of the world, was a step in the "lame" or "boring" direction.

      People jump to the '01 generation for the Civic, as it was cheapened a bit in terms of suspension and fitments. That said, people forget that Honda made a damn good effort for the '06 generation. 200hp 2 liter with LSD in the Si was a step in the right direction, and even an improvement over the lusted-after '00-01 Si. It's an unsung success lost underneath spaceship styling.

      The Prelude and S2K were great banner carriers for enthusiast vehicles all the way until their respective ends.

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      04-28-2012 05:25 AM #11
      Way before the first Honda has lost its way thread was started. IMO, the V6 Accord, and even more so the Coupe, were holding on longest.

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      04-29-2012 04:02 PM #13
      2001. Nothing introduced since the S2000 has been either fun, exciting or attractive.

      Prelude killed in 2001.

      I mean, you could see this coming as clear as daylight.

      1994, still a nice looking little sedan & coopay



      1998 Accord, the end is near.




      2003 Accord, beginning of the end, it is over, stick a fork in 'em.



      1996 Civic, still a cute little sedan.



      2001 Civic, already lost its way.



      They copied the freaking Cavalier, for goodness sakes.

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      04-29-2012 04:06 PM #14
      2001 - The Fast and the Furious was released.
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      04-29-2012 04:08 PM #15
      I'll give Honda an "A for effort" with the Fit. The Fit was introduced to recapture some of what the Civic used to do in its sleep, before they bloated and ruined it. At least Mazda had the wisdom to retain the essence of the Miata in size, weight and spirit. Honda totally lost their way making the Civic the size of old Accords and Accords the size of old Chevy mid-sized sedans.

      Honda could do a lot worse to just clone their 1986 cars but with modern technology. In fact, they are doing much worse. My mother hates her Civic -- her 6th straight Civic. She can't see the hood to park, the massive sloped A pillars drive her nuts, and she had to pull the rear headrests to be able to back the car out. NONE of her previous 5 civics gave her a single problem, starting with her favorite, her beloved light green 1982 Civic Wagon with stick. She loved that car. She doesn't like her 2011 Civic but she is too cheap to trade in for a CRV like I keep prodding her to.

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      04-29-2012 04:21 PM #16
      I'd say around 2005-2006. Nothing put out since then has been very good, except for the TL-S

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      04-29-2012 04:23 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike VR6 View Post
      I would say after 2000...that was the last good Civic. Accords got boring after 1997.

      But..the caveat to that is the S2000...that lead Honda to 2009.
      The 7th Gen is a great car. 240 HP when the competitors had 200, Acura like interior for 29k. Drives well enough. The 06-07 is a great looking car and you could get it in 6 speed as well. Spare me about the transmission woes, they're not all bad. 2003-07 the accord was head and shoulders above altima Camry and the like.
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      04-29-2012 04:27 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by invisiblewar View Post
      I'd say around 2005-2006. Nothing put out since then has been very good, except for the TL-S

      Right. Yeah, well, outside of probably the best Civic ever produced for the US market.

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    19. 04-29-2012 05:04 PM #19
      I think it happened later than what most of you think. The last civic Si was actually a fantastic car, as was the S2000.

      So I'll say after the market crash and the decision to end the S2k without a successor, well thats when it happened.

      The new civic Si is the best example of it. I have faith they will come back though.

    20. 04-29-2012 05:05 PM #20
      What year did the company form?

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      04-29-2012 05:20 PM #21
      As much as we like to harp about the loss of performance models- that is but a single pixel in the big picture.
      Honda still makes very good vehicles, but they lack the serious edge they once had.

      And what was the serious edge?
      The edge was how the company put advancing the product and engineering ahead of maximizing profitability.

      And just when did Honda abandon the engineers to let the accountants and marketing types run the company?
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      04-29-2012 05:32 PM #22
      1995 civic was the last good one.
      Accords sucked starting in 1998
      S2K was a love / hate
      1990-2001 Integras were great
      1988-1996 Preludes were awesome too.
      Last edited by Rob.; 04-29-2012 at 05:35 PM.

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      04-29-2012 05:40 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Grey Mouser View Post
      What year did the company form?
      Huhuhuhuhu we got a joker here.

      I say after they killed off the NSX (2005) or after the introduction of the S2000 CR in 2007 (the last really sports oriented thing they designed.)

    24. 04-29-2012 06:39 PM #24
      I think 2008 because after the global economy meltdown Honda cut most of the funding to there engineering department. They killed the V10 super car they were doing, starting to sell diesel engines in America, and a flagship car for Acura with a V8. They also since then have killed the FD2 Civic Type R and the FN2 Civic Type R, S2000, stopped offering the K20A in the Civic Si, made the disappointing CRZ and made the Crosstour and ZDX.

    25. 04-29-2012 06:45 PM #25


      This is probably the best thing Honda has going for them right now, especially with the V6 and 6sp. and honestly I like it a lot, but most everything else in their lineup is pretty lame.
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