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    Thread: Best "fast sports sedan, or 2+2 grand tourer, or 2+2 sports coupe with 4 seats around $50k-$60k

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      04-29-2012 02:27 PM #1
      Hey guys, I'm looking to see what TCL says is the best sports car with 4 seats for around $50-$60k?

      Other criteria besides price and seating capacity: comfortable, reliable, and fun daily driver; excellent performer at weekend auto-x, track day or drag strip visit, 4-doors not necessary, but would be a plus....

      Basically, I'm thinking about my next car that will be 4-5 years down the road. So, I'm figuring that cars in the $50-$60k range now will have solid examples that are easily be attainable in the $20-$30k range in another 4-5 years.

      My initial thoughts go to Nissan GT-R, Porsche 911, M3 (coupe or sedan), CTS-V (coupe or sedan), C63, Audi S4 or S5.... what are your thoughts on these, or is there anything else I'm forgetting or overlooking???
      If your car feels like it's on rails, then you're going too slow.

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      04-29-2012 02:36 PM #2
      Do you plan on actually using the back seats to transport anyone other than double amputees for any appreciable distance? Because that would be a prime decider for some of the cars with token backseats.

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      04-29-2012 02:40 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
      Hey guys, I'm looking to see what TCL says is the best sports car with 4 seats for around $50-$60k?

      Other criteria besides price and seating capacity: comfortable, reliable, and fun daily driver; excellent performer at weekend auto-x, track day or drag strip visit, 4-doors not necessary, but would be a plus....

      Basically, I'm thinking about my next car that will be 4-5 years down the road. So, I'm figuring that cars in the $50-$60k range now will have solid examples that are easily be attainable in the $20-$30k range in another 4-5 years.

      My initial thoughts go to Nissan GT-R, Porsche 911, M3 (coupe or sedan), CTS-V (coupe or sedan), C63, Audi S4 or S5.... what are your thoughts on these, or is there anything else I'm forgetting or overlooking???
      So, is the next four to five years not enough time to do your own research?

      Planning on resurrecting this thread in five years time to remind yourself what your decision was all those years ago?

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      04-29-2012 03:12 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by vespoli View Post
      Do you plan on actually using the back seats to transport anyone other than double amputees for any appreciable distance? Because that would be a prime decider for some of the cars with token backseats.
      Backseat will be for small children only.



      Quote Originally Posted by CBJ View Post
      So, is the next four to five years not enough time to do your own research?

      Planning on resurrecting this thread in five years time to remind yourself what your decision was all those years ago?
      There is plenty of time. I just want a clearer vision of what my future will look like.

      And yes I may dig up this thread 5 years from now
      If your car feels like it's on rails, then you're going too slow.

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    7. 04-29-2012 03:41 PM #7
      C63 AMG or E92 M3
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      04-29-2012 03:47 PM #8
      False. Sports cars only have 2 seats.

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      04-29-2012 03:49 PM #9
      do people really consider the 911 a 4 seater?

      probably going to be looking at s4s, m3s, and mercedes amg, maybe the e63 will drop to that point by then?

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      04-29-2012 04:05 PM #11
      2013 GT500 hands down
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      04-29-2012 04:22 PM #12
      Would consider the GT500 for sure, but not the Camaro.

      I guess the 911 back seat is kind of a joke.

      I showed my wife the list and she's partial to the GTR (because she loved her Sentra). Anyone know how usable the rear seat is on it?

      The E63 would be baller, but definitely won't be good at an auto-x.
      If your car feels like it's on rails, then you're going too slow.

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      04-29-2012 04:31 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
      I showed my wife the list and she's partial to the GTR (because she loved her Sentra). Anyone know how usable the rear seat is on it?

    14. 04-29-2012 04:35 PM #14
      Do people really buy $50-60k sports sedans based on their auto-x ability? Seems to me that would rank just slightly above whether the rear windows had auto-up.
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    15. 04-29-2012 04:37 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post

      I showed my wife the list and she's partial to the GTR (because she loved her Sentra).
      Lol.....sometimes you can't make this place up.

      That was good for a chuckle.

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      04-29-2012 04:44 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      False. Sports cars only have 2 seats.

      If you want to go old school, they don't have fixed roofs, either.

      In terms of real-world usable rear seats and driving dynamics, the answer is BMW M3. Not that there aren't other good cars, but there's a reason it's the car to beat in this segment.
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      04-29-2012 05:06 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by epbrown View Post
      In terms of real-world usable rear seats and driving dynamics, the answer is BMW M3. Not that there aren't other good cars, but there's a reason it's the car to beat in this segment.
      Yeah, i think the m3 may come out on top just because of real-world everyday practicality...

      Although, It seems like the torque on the M3 is kinda low, and peak HP RPM is nose-bleed high... these kinda make me want to lean towards the GT500... but then I go and read reviews of how harsh the suspension is, how the quality of the interior could be better, and how the steering wheel doesn't even telescope! come on ford, seriously?
      If your car feels like it's on rails, then you're going too slow.

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      04-29-2012 09:00 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
      Yeah, i think the m3 may come out on top just because of real-world everyday practicality...

      Although, It seems like the torque on the M3 is kinda low, and peak HP RPM is nose-bleed high... these kinda make me want to lean towards the GT500... but then I go and read reviews of how harsh the suspension is, how the quality of the interior could be better, and how the steering wheel doesn't even telescope! come on ford, seriously?
      M3 is geared aggressive, so it makes up for lack of torque. Get it with DCT and you won't be caught with your pants down when you need acceleration.

    19. 04-29-2012 09:04 PM #19
      [QUOTE=firstorbit84;77148063]Backseat will be for small children only.

      so you're gonna waste $50k for a car you'll use for only a few yrs ?

      sports sedan for you

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      Lotus Evora

      Most of the cars mentioned on this thread so far may be fast cars, but they are not sports cars.


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      04-29-2012 09:06 PM #21
      I think my first choice would be the CTS-V. Evora close behind. Trailing behind that, mostly because it's unknown territory, is the new Mustang that's due to arrive in 2014. If Ford keeps it up, I just see that car getting even better. And with what we've heard about it so far, I can't really imagine it being a disappointment.

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    23. 04-29-2012 09:09 PM #23
      A B8 Audi S4 would be a good choice. It can fit 5 people and is one of the fastest sport sedans you can buy under 60k. I have driven one and it has to be one of the best handling cars I have driven. It has so much grip that you can push the car hard through turns without having to worry about losing traction.

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      04-29-2012 09:19 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by 50fridge View Post
      A B8 Audi S4 would be a good choice. It can fit 5 people and is one of the fastest sport sedans you can buy under 60k. I have driven one and it has to be one of the best handling cars I have driven. It has so much grip that you can push the car hard through turns without having to worry about losing traction.
      Amen bro! Never before in the US could one spend 49k for a new 5 person car with 0-60 in 4.8s with AWD and eLSD(rear diff in Audi lingo) that will drive great in all season and be luxurious too. As my sig shows i have had them all, R32, V60R, Turbo X, and now this car, which makes the rest look diminutive by comparison. A real beast in sheep's clothing, love mine!!!

      A great cheaper alternative would be the 5 door Golf R, another finely appointed and fun to drive daily Haldex AWD car. Haldex IMHO with eLSD is a slightly better than Quattro, but the the added ponies in the S4 must be at least partly responsible.

      For Southern climates without rear winters the BMW M3 is still the machine.
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