Ask again in 4-5 years....will be an interesting new topic.
I still feel like the s4/s5 would be somewhat underpowered compared to the rest of the considerations, and I really don't see why there's any reason to go with a supercharged 6-cyl when I could get same power from a (tuned k04) turbo 4? (Plus much better fuel economy) especially since i'd already be missing out on the V8 sounds
This same logic would lead me to consider a 335i in addition to the M3.
The 335 has the fuel pump issues but is otherwise a nice car.
My top picks would be...
S4, TT-RS, C4S, ZL1, CTS-V (Coupe), M3(coupe), 335is, and AMG63 (C or E).
The GT500 will not be able to put down the power. The old GT500 couldn't, it was actually slower than the 302 Boss Laguna Seca in the C&D Lightning Lap. Ford definitely wins the numbers game but in terms of usability I don't see that happening. This is even more an issue if the weather isn't totally ideal.
after watching Mega Factories episode on the the panamera
after 5-6 yrs, it might drop to within your range
got the looks (grew on me after awhile), speed, and 4 (real ) seats for occupants
same performance, but just in a longer wheelbase really
MB, BMW, AUDI are more known for their "luxury", and only enthusiasts know about the performance potential and trims
but one look at the panamera, and you know its a sports car....even w/ 4 doors
- APR K04 Tune
- APR 3' Downpipe
- Eurojet .:R32 Catback
- S3 IC
- S3 Injectors
- A.W.E. HPFP
- A.W.E Mechanical DV w/ relocate kit
- Neuspeed CAI
The dealership here will chip and pulley an S4 and still do warranty work. GIAC plot... = 404whp. Stock the car is making about 306.
subaru has 4 seats too
or for slightly more :
Streets of Willow lap records:
1.Nissan GT-R 1:20.25 Randy Pobst
2.Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 1:20.43 Randy Pobst
3.Ferrari 458 Italia 1:22.30
4.Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 1:23.48 Randy Pobst
5.Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:23.87
I think the infiniti M56 is going to be just a tad too big, and not as nimble as I'd like... nice car though...
Thanks for posting the track times... shows how great the GT-R really is too..
TT-RS is one of my favorites now too.... love the styling, and seems like it has a little more rear room than the GT-R... i know it has less power than some of the others, but a shorter wheelbase and awd which will be great for auto-x... plus better fuel economy 18/25.... they seem to be pretty exclusive right now though... what do you guys think the chances are of a TT-RS being under $30k in 5 years??
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C63. But I'm a little bit biased of course. I thought the lack of a LSD would for sure ruin the handling but I can attest that it really isn't a factor until you really Really push it. Rear tires are an issue with the stock pirellis but my PS2's are actaully holding up very well for 5000 miles on them. Gas mileage is dismal but can you say over 400 ft lbs of torque? Drivability is why I love it as my DD, aka torque. No matter what gear or speed you're churning at, there is INSTANT power. Nothing else I have driven comes close to **** eating grin status including the few secs of cold starts in the morning.
Now. Having cross shopped the others, the M3 was obvious but unless you've spent the seat time in it or even the M5, high revving engines need to be revved... I spent a long time in both the M3 and M5, both manual, and the lack of torque IS noticeable in every day "sports car" driving. They were beautiful sounding motors, esp m5, but putting around at 5 grand just didn't feel natural.
Didn't spend much time in the others (had 2 weeks solid with the m5 and one with the m3) but the isf was way too stiff for me, the e63 was too much monies, and the cts while fun just still didn't have the xfactor.... Maybe it was the damn gm bong bong noise that killed it... The S4 is a fantastic all around car, but really wanted rwd. Also, that car desperatley needed an exhaust. Cant say anything bad about the 335i but like the s4 its almost in a different segment IMO. Never got to touch a mustang bc the wife wouldn't have any of it, and honestly, she loves driving the merc. She states "I feel safer in it bc I can pass and get away from anyone. Anyone."
They're all marvelous cars, they all make beautiful noises, and I went with the biggest baddest engine bc as clarkson put it best, we are approaching the end of an era. Cars like these with no replacement for displacement WILL disappear. I'm just glad I can support the thirstyness of the car now and still enjoy driving the piss out of it.
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How can you plan what car you will own in 5 years? I don't even know what car I will end up with at the end of this year.... So many things can happen in 5 years- I can't imagine planning on owning a car by any certain time, unless I become a billionaire this year and I'm saving for a 760RS.
Do people really plan that far ahead?