Diesel valves?

[Glegor]

Giles pump should be your first mod! Worth every penny and will do more for the car than you would think.

i guess im doing things backwards.. i built my engine the way i wanted it first, and the last mod left on my list, is a Giles pump..

giles builds pumps that are tuned to specific engines, so i would either do the mods you want before the giles pump, or else order your pump with it set up how you want it..

if your planning on running boost, order it so its setup to run the amount of boost you are planning to run.

if its a very wild Giles build, it will be basically tuned to that particular engine/combo..

Dave Cross used to make 193hp on a stock 9mm Bosch VE pump..

and i guess i more or less just want to get my engine dialed in before i got the giles pump..

ive got a SWEET pump to send to giles tho.. its a Peugeot 505TD pump, its got a 10mm plunger and a few other cool goodies on it, like an emergency manual engine shut off..

[Rockerchick]

We just got kind of a general Super Pump build. Good for 20psi on our stock engine. Don't think there was much other real customization.

[Glegor]

We just got kind of a general Super Pump build. Good for 20psi on our stock engine. Don't think there was much other real customization.

i know you can have giles tune the pump to your engine basically.. custom timing advance specs, stuff like that.. he can also tune the LDA for specific boost, and stuff like that..

yes, you can get a more UNIVERSAL super-pump, but you can get fully customized ones as well..

[pho]

We just got kind of a general Super Pump build. Good for 20psi on our stock engine. Don't think there was much other real customization.

I would still get a Giles pump.....over a no-name injection pump...

[theman53]

I had the head done before the pump was built, so I cannot comment on what does what there...BUT I would say if you are turbo the first mod I would do *yes even before the Giles pump* is the intercooler. I had the Giles pump before I was intercooled and I really never even scratched the surface of what the pump would do until I got that. Even after I had the IC installed I ran out of turbo before the pump was done. I had it built for a little more boost than 20 originally, this time around I told him "I don't care if I melt the engine down, I want more power" It never made it back on the car before the precup killed it. It was only after it died and I got to drive other cars in the same spots did I realize how much torque it really had.

[pho]

It never made it back on the car before the PRECUP killed it.

It never made it back on the car before the PRECUP killed it.

It never made it back on the car before the PRECUP killed it.

My old 92 ecodiesel died when it dropped a precup.
I see that a bad precup can easily destroy an engine.

ANYBODY have any info on reinforcing or upgrading the oem precups to a better style?
I believe the vw diesel style are glued in.

[Rockerchick]

I ran out of turbo before the pump was done.

We're on a stock TD so we have T3. That pump is going to limit boost more than the turbo

We have no space for an intercooler. We want to find a solution, but we kept our AC so no real space. Its cramped in there for a usefuel air-air at least. Thinking of air-water eventually. But we'll see...

[theman53]

Yeah jess the turbo didn't quit boosting, it became a restriction or should I say that it didn't flow enough on top...pump had much more to give. I figured all this out finally, that is what my EGT issue, it was fine to a point then the turbo just didn't move enough cold air to make it work. Then the EGT would go as high as your right foot wanted it too.

VW do not glue in they are a press fit, or at least they are supposed to be a press fit. You can pull the remaining 3 of mine out by your fingernails. Mine kept growing when hot and when they would cool the aluminum would have to come back with them. After 40,000 miles the aluminum gave me the finger.

[pho]

Giles pump should be your first mod! Worth every penny and will do more for the car than you would think.

We have no space for an intercooler. We want to find a solution, but we kept our AC so no real space. Its cramped in there for a usefuel air-air at least. Thinking of air-water eventually. But we'll see...

Any ideas on how to run an intercooler while still keeping the OEM a/c?

[Rockerchick]

If we did, we'd have one in there! Air -> water seems to be our best option but its more of a pain to get set up really. We're running stock boost for now so no need for one.

[theman53]

copy something similar to the ALH TDI setup. If you put it lower instead of up front it will be better than nothing at all. Just having one is good.

[Rockerchick]

It won't work. We've tried. At least with the stock TDI smic. Just no way to put one in to work effectively. And if its not going to do its job, not going to install it. We're at 9psi and until we do put in an intercooler, it won't be changing. Still breaking it in anyway.

[pho]

copy something similar to the ALH TDI setup. If you put it lower instead of up front it will be better than nothing at all. Just having one is good.

I'm running a mk2 euro gtd intercooler, in a mk1 Rabbit 4 door, on an AAZ/k24 swap. Looks like I'm gonna go FMIC instead with a 90's super thin Volvo sedan intercooler. I saw a Volvo intercooler at the wrecking yard that was only @2" thick.

[theman53]

Unless you have a big bumper there is no way the 2" will fit with A/C. I have a 2.5" in mine and the core support had to be reinforced on the front side as it is only 16gauge thick from having to grind it to make it fit. And I have no A/C condensor.

[theman53]

Here is an option I have been really considering:

[pho]

Here is an option I have been really considering:

Thanks, looks like this is going to work out swell.

[GingerH8r]

I'm running a mk2 euro gtd intercooler, in a mk1 Rabbit 4 door, on an AAZ/k24 swap. Looks like I'm gonna go FMIC instead with a 90's super thin Volvo sedan intercooler. I saw a Volvo intercooler at the wrecking yard that was only @2" thick.

I bought an I/C from a local guy around my area, it's about 26" wide, but the core is only... maybe 1.5" thick! I figure ANYTHING will help out getting my charge cooler than no I/C

[theman53]

You are correct. I had a pal that put an I/C in from a TDI up by the strut tower on his MKI because that is all the space he had. It worked flawlessly. He eventually moved it to the front and went bigger, but he didn't notice much change. To really see a difference you would have to have a temp probe before and after IC to get readings.

My point was originally that I have a Giles pump and it works great. The problem is you can't use its potential without the IC. My car wasn't fast until I installed it, it did ok, but it was fast after I installed the IC. My order of installation would be IC and Giles pump at the same time, but if that isn't feesable then I would do the IC first. Just a personal preference as I did the Giles pump first and would never do that again.

[Rockerchick]

If you aren't upping the boost though, than an IC is only going to add to the lag that is already highly present on some of the TD setups (like ours which is stock with the T3). It may decrease EGT's, but if you aren't increasing fueling or boost, then there isn't much point to an IC. We have a 2.5" exhaust which dropped our EGT's enough. And our car still pulls much better and is definitely faster with our Giles pump, even running at stock levels.

Its all about being responsible though. If you are going to be increasing your fueling and boost, then yes, you better have an IC installed before you do that. But if you aren't, then no real need. We're more than happy with things right now. We'll be bumping things up once we figure out an IC solution, but no rush.

Oh and we had a SMIC from a TDI that we got from a junkyard and were playing around with...no room even by the strut tower. Airbox crap in the way on the passenger side, coolant bottle, etc. on the drivers.

[pho]

Any more pics of this setup???

[theman53]

I have about 8 pics total, but those 3 tell the story. The rest aren't really worth loading.

[Glegor]

I'm running a mk2 euro gtd intercooler, in a mk1 Rabbit 4 door, on an AAZ/k24 swap. Looks like I'm gonna go FMIC instead with a 90's super thin Volvo sedan intercooler. I saw a Volvo intercooler at the wrecking yard that was only @2" thick.

VOLVO INTERCOOLERS ARE WAY TOO TALL FOR A RABBIT, or any type of old VW.. you might get away with one in a mk3, but not a mk1 or mk2 without alot of CUTTING..

ask me how i know?

[Glegor]

Thanks, looks like this is going to work out swell.

besides the fact that you have to move your radiator over..

ive got a starion intercooler in my car, and its on the passenger side, as well as all the piping..

radiator in stock location. running a non-a/c rad as well, for the added room. i dont like the piping and battery on the same side. it makes for a busy engine bay.

ill check to see if i have pics of my current charge piping..

[pho]

VOLVO INTERCOOLERS ARE WAY TOO TALL FOR A RABBIT.

I was planning to run the Volvo intercooler ontop of the motor; Subaru style.

[Glegor]

I was planning to run the Volvo intercooler ontop of the motor; Subaru style.

sorry, but i think that would be a bit retarded.. remove intercooler to do ANY engine maintenance..

hell, you would even have to position it right to be able to check your oil and coolant without taking it out..

[theman53]

THe thickness probably isnt' the issue, the LxW would be. I don't remember what they measure, but even a 13x7x3/4 oil cooler was in my way on my MK2 when I had it above the trans. I moved it up front.

[pho]

sorry, but i think that would be a bit retarded.. remove intercooler to do ANY engine maintenance..

okay.

[pho]

I have about 8 pics total, but those 3 tell the story. The rest aren't really worth loading.

[pho]

And, found this:

[pho]

Last one:

[theman53]

I am doing some #s for building an intake. I have been thinking about adding and intercooler in the intake. The yellow zonker and a friend of mine have been the inspiration and I just saw another thread here that is on pace with what I would like to do.



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