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    Thread: MX-5 vs BRZ vs FR-S at Twin Ring Motegi

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      04-29-2012 09:29 PM #2
      I wonder what "level" that Miata was; it seemed like it had a lot of roll and pitch to it. The Toyobaru looks like it's fun to wring it's neck; all good things.
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      04-29-2012 09:33 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      I wonder what "level" that Miata was; it seemed like it had a lot of roll and pitch to it. The Toyobaru looks like it's fun to wring it's neck; all good things.
      Do they have a trim that's doesn't have as much body roll as a Lincoln?


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      04-29-2012 09:37 PM #4
      I would think they are all stock?

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      04-29-2012 09:44 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      I wonder what "level" that Miata was; it seemed like it had a lot of roll and pitch to it. The Toyobaru looks like it's fun to wring it's neck; all good things.
      It has leather, a 6-speed, a soft top, and 17" wheels, so it's a Roadster RS... as far as I can tell on mazda.co.jp that means it has a Bilstein suspension, probably the same as the US-spec sport suspension option.
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      04-29-2012 10:08 PM #6
      i love watching these videos...not knowing what they're saying makes it more fun for some reason. They look like they're having a blast...i'd be extremely surprised if the fr-s/brz doesn't sell well

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      04-29-2012 10:10 PM #7
      I bet the stock Miata has a lot more to gain with some hard springs/dampers and sticky tires than the BRZ or 86 would. When they designed the third generation Miata, one of the design goals was that it was to have no more grip than the previous generation.. not a formula that is conducive to low laptimes, and also not what the car is about.

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      04-29-2012 10:14 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by sforsancho View Post
      I bet the stock Miata has a lot more to gain with some hard springs/dampers and sticky tires than the BRZ or 86 would. When they designed the third generation Miata, one of the design goals was that it was to have no more grip than the previous generation.. not a formula that is conducive to low laptimes, and also not what the car is about.

      I love my Miata, but they are soft from the factory
      The Toyobaru twins are rolling on 215 LRR tires compared to the 205 (summer tires?) for the Miata.

      Also, a soft suspension can aid in grip. I definitely wouldn't say the Miata has less grip.


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      04-29-2012 10:23 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by mariok2006 View Post
      The Toyobaru twins are rolling on 215 LRR tires compared to the 205 (summer tires?) for the Miata.

      Also, a soft suspension can aid in grip. I definitely wouldn't say the Miata has less grip.
      The narrow tires and softer suspension is supposed to help the feel. (shrug)

      The MX-5/Miata (what are we supposed to call it?) actually looked a bit faster in the corners.
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    10. 04-29-2012 10:27 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      The narrow tires and softer suspension is supposed to help the feel. (shrug)
      This is true. Even a car like the Lotus Elise had a rather generous amount of body roll - how the chassis handles it is what is critical.

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      04-29-2012 10:28 PM #11
      It's a Mazda Roadster.



      IIRC it was supposed to be badged Miata in the Japanese market, but Mazda couldn't get the trademark because it was deemed too similar to bicycle manufacturer Miyata.
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      04-29-2012 10:37 PM #12
      Interesting to see how much more understeer the BRZ has compared to the FRS.

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      04-29-2012 10:42 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by bbk View Post
      Interesting to see how much more understeer the BRZ has compared to the FRS.
      I wonder how much is suspension tuning, and how much could be something like tire pressures.
      Do these drivers get to practice with these cars before the "race"?

      And dang... the video makes me want an NC even more considering you can get them used with low miles for half the price of the new FRS/BRZ.
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      04-29-2012 10:54 PM #14
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      04-29-2012 10:57 PM #15
      Tsukuba would have been a better track to compare these cars. The longer straights on this track favors the car with more hp, regardless of how well the Miata corners.

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      04-29-2012 11:02 PM #16
      what show is that? I thought best motoring died

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      04-29-2012 11:03 PM #17
      The thing i find very stupid about this whole race is... why put the best driver in the best car? thats almost stacked, everyone knows tsuchiya knows how to drive, so why not put him in the mx5 as the mx5 loses in almost every department versus those cars (tire size, spring rates, cog etc.)

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      04-29-2012 11:08 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by CabrioVR View Post
      The thing i find very stupid about this whole race is... why put the best driver in the best car? thats almost stacked, everyone knows tsuchiya knows how to drive, so why not put him in the mx5 as the mx5 loses in almost every department versus those cars (tire size, spring rates, cog etc.)
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      04-29-2012 11:15 PM #20
      Tsuchiya losing in an race is the equivalent to the Miata, E30 M3, Mustang V6 (lulz) no longer being CL darlings.
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      04-29-2012 11:27 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by mariok2006 View Post
      The Toyobaru twins are rolling on 215 LRR tires compared to the 205 (summer tires?) for the Miata.

      Also, a soft suspension can aid in grip. I definitely wouldn't say the Miata has less grip.
      That's an interesting point. Do they run LRR tires in Japan also? I have read about the LRR tires here in the NA market, but in the NA market I believe the NC comes with all-season tires.

      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post

      And dang... the video makes me want an NC even more considering you can get them used with low miles for half the price of the new FRS/BRZ.
      I won't lie, I went to have a look . Looks like NC2 models are still holding their values disappointingly well.
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      04-29-2012 11:32 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Aguilar View Post
      Tsukuba would have been a better track to compare these cars. The longer straights on this track favors the car with more hp, regardless of how well the Miata corners.
      Exactly what I was thinking.

      I came hoping for a Best Motoring type battle. Leaving satisfied.

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      04-29-2012 11:43 PM #23
      Drag race

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      04-29-2012 11:44 PM #24
      Funny how most of their comparisons are at Tsukuba, where the typical Japanese underdog car is also under powered. They chose Motegi as the venue in this comparison. No bias towards the Toyobarus cars at all.

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      04-29-2012 11:47 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by 20aeman View Post
      Funny how most of their comparisons are at Tsukuba, where the typical Japanese underdog car is also under powered. They chose Motegi as the venue in this comparison. No bias towards the Toyobarus cars at all.
      Somebody has to pay for the event.

      And Miata owners don't care about stuff like this.
      The Miata has a proven track record.
      It was never a stop light drag racing performance car.
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    26. 04-29-2012 11:52 PM #26
      This clearly illustrates the level of performance these twins offer. So this should end that speculation. A notch above the Miata.
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      04-29-2012 11:55 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by DJMRDARK View Post
      This clearly illustrates the level of performance these twins offer. So this should end that speculation. A notch above the Miata.
      The FRS/BRZ do have a power to weight advantage- and that was evident on this long straight track event.
      Though are the FRS/BRZ a better handler? I don't think we know that yet.
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      04-29-2012 11:57 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by 20aeman View Post
      Funny how most of their comparisons are at Tsukuba, where the typical Japanese underdog car is also under powered. They chose Motegi as the venue in this comparison. No bias towards the Toyobarus cars at all.
      best motoring wasn't exactly singing the NC praises back when it came out either

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      04-30-2012 12:05 AM #29
      Wait, I thought Best Motoring got cancelled?

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      04-30-2012 12:06 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      The Subaru has less sound in the cabin than the Toyota/Scion.
      I noticed that as well. Tsuchiya having some fun in that 86...

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      04-30-2012 12:06 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by choochoo View Post
      best motoring wasn't exactly singing the NC praises back when it came out either

      must watch BATTLE!!!
      Any show that tests lightweight rear drive sports cars on a wet track deserves to get cancelled.
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      04-30-2012 12:19 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Any show that tests lightweight rear drive sports cars on a wet track deserves to get cancelled.
      You can't control mother nature....

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      Wait, I thought Best Motoring got cancelled?
      it did..... but it's reincarnated as Best Motor TV.

    33. 04-30-2012 12:41 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Any show that tests lightweight rear drive sports cars on a wet track deserves to get cancelled.
      Compared to a show that drives 600-700hp super cars around a wet airstrip?

      I read somewhere that the Subaru suspension engineers wanted their car to have more understeer to feel similar to their awd cars, while Toyota wanted more oversteer. And that the only difference in the two suspensions is the springs and shocks.

    34. 04-30-2012 12:49 AM #34
      pretty pathetic performance on the toyobaru's IMHO

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      04-30-2012 12:50 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by aleexxxxx View Post
      pretty pathetic performance on the toyobaru's IMHO
      They look fun, controllable, balanced. What's the pathetic part?
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