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    Thread: How much power can stock tranny handle?

    1. 04-30-2012 02:18 PM #1
      Have there been any cases where people are breaking manual trannies on stage 2+??

      What is the limit?

      Thanks! The wife is looking to get one soon and we want to build it up.

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      04-30-2012 09:38 PM #2
      I think the stock clutch will wear out pretty fast once you go stage 2+

      I also heard that TSI clutches are weaker than FSI and some FSI cars have clutches that can hold up to stage 2+ power levels

    3. 05-01-2012 07:33 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Illusionist View Post
      I think the stock clutch will wear out pretty fast once you go stage 2+

      I also heard that TSI clutches are weaker than FSI and some FSI cars have clutches that can hold up to stage 2+ power levels
      Idc about clutch... im talking about gears, mainshafts, countershafts, final drives, etc

      When do they start giving out?

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      05-01-2012 07:39 AM #4
      If you have a DSG I read on this forum forgot where, that your DSG transmission can hold 400+hp easily..
      Quote Originally Posted by boradie sucht View Post
      what good does searching do anymore? say in 2 years when new people come on and have questions and decide to search first. and then this thread pops up, when its all idiots like you telling him to search.
      whats the point of that, either contribute or STFU

    5. 05-01-2012 08:38 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by bgalex View Post
      If you have a DSG I read on this forum forgot where, that your DSG transmission can hold 400+hp easily..
      I'm referring to manual gearbox. 400hp would be great... Is it the same for manual and I need whp/wtq numbers

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      05-01-2012 09:05 AM #6
      Manual clutches won't last long past stage 2.

      DSG clutches are holding 500hp with no upgrades
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      05-01-2012 09:36 AM #7
      Dsg ftw!

    8. 05-01-2012 09:55 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by bryangb View Post
      Manual clutches won't last long past stage 2.

      DSG clutches are holding 500hp with no upgrades
      Im not talking about clutch. I can upgrade the clutch for $400 and make it hold 400.

      What I want to know of is there any issues with the transmission gears and shafts breaking at a certain power level...



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      05-01-2012 09:57 AM #9
      What kind of car do you have?

    10. 05-01-2012 10:04 AM #10
      Will have an 09 TSI MKV Manual...

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      05-01-2012 10:08 AM #11
      You're fine. It's the same trans in the R20. Upgrade your clutch. Look into an LSD.

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      05-01-2012 10:29 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by eatonrabbit. View Post
      Look into an LSD.


      I would love to feel a MKV with a LSD in it.

      I haven't heard much of anything or at all about the manual tranny breaking or running out of gear.

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    13. 05-01-2012 11:04 AM #13
      I would definitely get an LSD my 07 Supercharged Civic Si has one stock. I'm making 325whp 216wtq 9lbs boost. (planning for more) ran 12.6 @ 113

      The plan is to build the GTI stage 3 for my wife near what I have and we will go to the dragstrip together. /win

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      05-01-2012 11:42 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by eatonrabbit. View Post
      You're fine. It's the same trans in the R20. Upgrade your clutch. Look into an LSD.
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      05-01-2012 11:44 AM #15
      Stage 3 GTI will put down slightly more than those numbers at the wheels. But then you also need to rebuild the internals of the block.

      It'll blow that Civic out of the water.

    16. 05-01-2012 12:06 PM #16
      Read my post im gonna be adding more power to my setup (it isnt maxed out). I wouldnt be so sure about blowing it out of the water either lol.

      Anyways what do you mean build the internals I see people making around 330whp and 300wtq I thought motor was good for 400?

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      05-01-2012 12:13 PM #17
      you won't have to worry about the transmission breaking... as long as you don't go full retard when driving. The 02Q (6spd manual) trannies are some of the strongest VW has produced.

      And whoever is burning thru stock clutches on only stg2+ does not know how to drive. I'm on stock clutch and have been stg2+ with every bolt on imaginable and W/M injection for almost 40k miles. The stock clutch is holding fine with 83k on it now.

      That being said, i'm knocking on wood as i type this...
      Engineers do it better.

    18. 05-01-2012 12:44 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by SCIROCCO SPEED View Post
      you won't have to worry about the transmission breaking... as long as you don't go full retard when driving. The 02Q (6spd manual) trannies are some of the strongest VW has produced.

      And whoever is burning thru stock clutches on only stg2+ does not know how to drive. I'm on stock clutch and have been stg2+ with every bolt on imaginable and W/M injection for almost 40k miles. The stock clutch is holding fine with 83k on it now.

      That being said, i'm knocking on wood as i type this...
      Great to hear they did a good job with this transmission. One less thing to worry about.

      So whats the story on engine internals can they handle 330-360whp stock engine?

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      05-01-2012 12:52 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by SuperchargedK20Z3 View Post
      Great to hear they did a good job with this transmission. One less thing to worry about.

      So whats the story on engine internals can they handle 330-360whp stock engine?

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      not really... I would not push the stock internals past 350 bhp. Rods are the weak link here. Get a nice set from Integrated Engineering and you'll be set.
      Engineers do it better.

    20. 05-01-2012 01:05 PM #20
      Damn I thought I read the fsi could do 400 and tsi had even thicker rods...

      I dont care for messing with the engine.

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      05-01-2012 01:16 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by SuperchargedK20Z3 View Post
      Damn I thought I read the fsi could do 400 and tsi had even thicker rods...

      I dont care for messing with the engine.

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    22. 05-01-2012 01:23 PM #22
      Not at the moment lol. Dont hurt your head...

      Just used to a k series honda taking 400-500 all day stock engine. Gotta learn the dub-world.

      Also used to breaking the ****ty k series trans...

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      05-01-2012 01:53 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by SuperchargedK20Z3 View Post
      Read my post im gonna be adding more power to my setup (it isnt maxed out). I wouldnt be so sure about blowing it out of the water either lol.

      Anyways what do you mean build the internals I see people making around 330whp and 300wtq I thought motor was good for 400?

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      You apparently know very little about these cars so I'd suggest you buy something else.

      Stage 3 will put down over 400hp at the crank. At that point you will need to change the pistons and rods or replace your engine every 500 miles.

      So at Stage 3 = 400+ hp at the crank
      - the 15% loss in powertrain
      = 340-350whp and 360-380 ft-lbs

      way more than your current set up and no I didn't read about your plans because I don't care about hondas.

      Depending on your transmission set up as well you will walk the **** out of the civic at stage 3

      I hope your girl can really drive other wise they'll be scraping her body off the highway one night.

    24. 05-01-2012 02:18 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by eatonrabbit. View Post
      You apparently know very little about these cars so I'd suggest you buy something else.

      Stage 3 will put down over 400hp at the crank. At that point you will need to change the pistons and rods or replace your engine every 500 miles.

      So at Stage 3 = 400+ hp at the crank
      - the 15% loss in powertrain
      = 340-350whp and 360-380 ft-lbs

      way more than your current set up and no I didn't read about your plans because I don't care about hondas.

      Depending on your transmission set up as well you will walk the **** out of the civic at stage 3

      I hope your girl can really drive other wise they'll be scraping her body off the highway one night.
      LOL I should buy something else because I don't know how much power they can handle on a stock engine?? 99% of people should be walking then and not driving anything. That kind of thinking makes no sense.

      This is a forum where you can learn from people who have "been there done that"

      Also, I have already ran 12.6 @ 113 in my car and that is with 325whp once I am up to 360+ it will be even faster and once I change my blower to a whipple I'm looking at 400+. You can make power with anything depending on how much money you put into it so generically saying I'll be walked or have my ass handed to me is silly.

      Obviously I'm not tied to one brand and I'm no fanboy. I came here for help and information not remarks from a hater, but this is the Internet.

      Thanks everyone else for the help. Damn actually I got to thank you too since you confirmed the power they will hold. I'll keep it at Stage2+ and be happy. Ultimately the build has to start somewhere and that will be Stage 1+ anyways.

      We cool? I'm cool, brah.

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    26. 05-01-2012 03:00 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by JettaGT8V80 View Post
      LMAO

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