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    05-08-2012 11:02 AM #36
    Quote Originally Posted by mrbikle View Post
    That's old news, just not overly public.

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    Yep known for years !!!!! then when you try to publicly share this info and solutions people either don't listen or turn threads into pissing matches plus these so call engineering firms have big ears let them figure it out themselfs they don't share there data with us lol. I have flow data with almost all the aftermarket pumps and some OEM pumps compairing them to each other and have been running a solid no issues solution for over year now. Next up for me is fueling solution running on E-85 its slow moving Arnold takes too many crazy projects in his shop. Lol. Bob. G
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    I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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    05-08-2012 11:43 AM #37
    Have fun with e85 and that hpfp.

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    05-08-2012 12:19 PM #38
    Quote Originally Posted by donjuan1jr View Post
    Have fun with e85 and that hpfp.
    The hpfp from John @ UPGRADEHPFP that I've been running for about a year now has been running flawless so yes size does matter LOL, reliability has been a NON issue so far running a Good mixture of E-85 for over a year now. Bob. G
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
    I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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    05-09-2012 08:13 AM #39
    Quote Originally Posted by rracerguy717 View Post
    The hpfp from John @ UPGRADEHPFP that I've been running for about a year now has been running flawless so yes size does matter LOL, reliability has been a NON issue so far running a Good mixture of E-85 for over a year now. Bob. G
    I'm running same pump on Uni K04 BPY engine. So far it has survived race conditions with no issues. Also using RS4 valve.

    I did have issues with the low pressure pump last year, it is critical it's 100 percent. Went with latest OEM pump last fall and it's been fine since. Earlier pumps seemed prone to heat and failure. It the rear pump is even slightly iffy, get stutters or complete temporary stall or cut under power.
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  5. 05-09-2012 09:25 AM #40
    Dunno if this already known, just found this pump, but i'm not too
    sure it can solve our issues...

    It seems to have been a replacement in the 1.8T's in the past, but
    i haven't been able to confirm neither its flow or find too many people
    using it.....

    http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic...mp-8l0919051h/

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    05-09-2012 02:39 PM #41
    Quote Originally Posted by GolfRS View Post
    Dunno if this already known, just found this pump, but i'm not too
    sure it can solve our issues...

    It seems to have been a replacement in the 1.8T's in the past, but
    i haven't been able to confirm neither its flow or find too many people
    using it.....

    http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic...mp-8l0919051h/
    If you google around it looks like that part number fits a cupra R. Looks wise it looks identical to all the other early fsi pumps.
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    I ordered a late model FSI pump assy yesterday for research. Im gonna look into swapping pumps into it.

  7. 05-09-2012 02:42 PM #42
    Quote Originally Posted by loudgli View Post
    If you google around it looks like that part number fits a cupra R. Looks wise it looks identical to all the other early fsi pumps.
    .
    I ordered a late model FSI pump assy yesterday for research. Im gonna look into swapping pumps into it.
    Those were my exact thoughts hence why i didn't bother to get it but rather ask.

    Looks like the "latest" of the 1.8T pumps, so i doubt it can support TFSI BT levels
    (even though it IS for a 520 bhp N/A engine :O)

    EDIT:I wouldn't bother with getting the latest pump....The way i see it's go big or go home...

    You can make your own basket and use a huge aftermarket pump to end all of this BS.
    This is gonna be my plan....I already have ideas about how this should work....
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    05-09-2012 03:21 PM #43
    Quote Originally Posted by GolfRS View Post
    Those were my exact thoughts hence why i didn't bother to get it but rather ask.

    Looks like the "latest" of the 1.8T pumps, so i doubt it can support TFSI BT levels
    (even though it IS for a 520 bhp N/A engine :O)

    EDIT:I wouldn't bother with getting the latest pump....The way i see it's go big or go home...

    You can make your own basket and use a huge aftermarket pump to end all of this BS.
    This is gonna be my plan....I already have ideas about how this should work....
    the newer basket has very similar fill design to my bmw basket and it would require less work to mod. So I think it might possibly be an easier/cheaper solution to mod and make work well. Ill update back.

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    05-15-2012 08:11 AM #44
    Quote Originally Posted by loudgli View Post
    This would be the most current setup.
    Your current setup looks good and your 044 results confirm the flow data I have showing it can't flow enough at high pressure which is needed in our engines in the upper rpm range. If you need a fuel sump to hold your pump Arnold @ Pag can make one of his aluminum units up that reuses the factory sending unit on the inclosed OEM style pump sump ,I'm waiting for one to come back from geting coated for E-85 use. There's only two intank pumps I've seen that can keep up with high fuel demand and still work and play nicely with OEM fuel management and dosnt throw off the fuel correction map and fuel trims. BTW Johns @upgradehpfp 155 HP rail valve is deff needed ( your data confirms it ) when your SW is requesting those higher pressures Bob. G.
    Last edited by rracerguy717; 05-15-2012 at 08:18 AM.
    Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
    Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
    I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
    -J. Hines

  10. 05-15-2012 01:50 PM #45
    Quote Originally Posted by rracerguy717 View Post
    Your current setup looks good and your 044 results confirm the flow data I have showing it can't flow enough at high pressure which is needed in our engines in the upper rpm range. If you need a fuel sump to hold your pump Arnold @ Pag can make one of his aluminum units up that reuses the factory sending unit on the inclosed OEM style pump sump ,I'm waiting for one to come back from geting coated for E-85 use. There's only two intank pumps I've seen that can keep up with high fuel demand and still work and play nicely with OEM fuel management and dosnt throw off the fuel correction map and fuel trims. BTW Johns @upgradehpfp 155 HP rail valve is deff needed ( your data confirms it ) when your SW is requesting those higher pressures Bob. G.
    And those pumps are ???

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    05-15-2012 04:58 PM #46
    Quote Originally Posted by rracerguy717 View Post
    Your current setup looks good and your 044 results confirm the flow data I have showing it can't flow enough at high pressure which is needed in our engines in the upper rpm range. If you need a fuel sump to hold your pump Arnold @ Pag can make one of his aluminum units up that reuses the factory sending unit on the inclosed OEM style pump sump ,I'm waiting for one to come back from geting coated for E-85 use. There's only two intank pumps I've seen that can keep up with high fuel demand and still work and play nicely with OEM fuel management and dosnt throw off the fuel correction map and fuel trims. BTW Johns @upgradehpfp 155 HP rail valve is deff needed ( your data confirms it ) when your SW is requesting those higher pressures Bob. G.
    what makes you think the 044 cant flow enough? I considered buying one of arnolds but hes too damn flakey with his information. I know he's busy but I want to know what Im buying. He wouldn't give me anymore pictures that what was on his fb. I suspect the one-way valve doesn't work any better/worse than a '08 diaphragm style 1 way valve (which is the same one my BMW sump uses). In my opinion you can easily modify a '08 and newer basket with whatever pump you want and it will work the same as his. Neither are gonna have the oem properties of the pump filling the basket up past tank level though.

    Im guessing you're running an aeromotive pump. yes?

    According to many of the flow calculators Ive seen my walbro 400 outflows the aero 340 regardless of pressure and the 044 until you get to about 90psi.

    I took the 155 valve out. Im not gonna run that kind of pressure with eurodyne atleast for the moment. I dont like the spikes in pressure.

    Regardless its good that we are trying different things out to see what works best. Ill know more very soon.

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