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    Thread: Rear end problem in my 93 fox

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      05-02-2012 10:11 AM #1
      i have a 93 fox 2 door. and my back wheels are loose the lug nuts are tight but the wheels still jiggle back and forth im wondering if anyone else had a problem with this. could it be the bearings or a simple bolt problem?????? helpppppp

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      05-02-2012 11:15 AM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by foxy0505 View Post
      i have a 93 fox 2 door. and my back wheels are loose the lug nuts are tight but the wheels still jiggle back and forth im wondering if anyone else had a problem with this. could it be the bearings or a simple bolt problem?????? helpppppp
      If your lugnuts are actually tight then its definitely your wheel bearings. Replace them. Get some Timkens
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      05-02-2012 11:34 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by foxy0505 View Post
      i have a 93 fox 2 door. And my back wheels are loose the lug nuts are tight but the wheels still jiggle back and forth im wondering if anyone else had a problem with this. Could it be the bearings or a simple bolt problem?????? Helpppppp
      yep wheel bearings.
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      05-02-2012 12:05 PM #4
      Timken makes good stuff?

      Beck/Arnley wheel bearings are made in China now...
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      05-02-2012 12:07 PM #5
      Yeah...what the others said, wheel bearings likely needed to be repacked a while back.

      Get some good bearings / races for this, the OE install bearings use plastic cages.....cheesy.

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      05-02-2012 03:03 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by redone17 View Post
      Timken makes good stuff?

      Beck/Arnley wheel bearings are made in China now...
      Timken is the best

      Beck/Arnley should be referred to as Crap/Crapley in many cases.
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      05-02-2012 04:34 PM #7
      thanks for the tip. placing an order. was wondering what to use since i was having a hard time finding german made wheel bearings.
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      05-02-2012 04:35 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Leader View Post
      Timken is the best

      Beck/Arnley should be referred to as Crap/Crapley in many cases.
      Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. It used to be that when you bought a BA product it was a repackaged major German maker....now that's not the case...unless you get some good NOS BA stuff.

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      05-02-2012 05:34 PM #9
      yeah, just looked over some of the B/A stuff I got for my brake upgrade project

      wheel cylinders: made in germany - F A G
      rear bearing kit: made in spain - SKF
      front bearings: made in china - Meyle
      rear drum springs: made in usa - no name
      emergency brake cable: made in italy - no name

      placed an order for Timken bearings. rather do it right, one time.


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      05-02-2012 05:48 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by redone17 View Post
      yeah, just looked over some of the B/A stuff I got for my brake upgrade project

      wheel cylinders: made in germany - F A G
      rear bearing kit: made in spain - SKF
      front bearings: made in china - Meyle
      rear drum springs: made in usa - no name
      emergency brake cable: made in italy - no name

      placed an order for Timken bearings. rather do it right, one time.


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      Meyle went to china mfg several years ago....lots of chatter in the MB forums about Chinese Meyle parts. They come in fancy boxes with hologram decals but in the end it was made in China.

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      05-02-2012 07:23 PM #11
      SOME BA stuff is not crappy, as mentioned it sometimes is good repackaged stuff. Also realize that I use these parts in a race car that gets hammered on so it may work perfectly fine in the real world, but at 6000 rpms for 14 hours, not so much. But in many cases they are the only game in town if I need the part "right now" as I often do. Or the cost difference for another brand is completely prohibitive for a part that likely won't end our race if it still doesn't work.
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      05-02-2012 07:26 PM #12
      +1 on the timken bearings. Make sure you pack them really good with the right grease (high temp) otherwise you'll be doing it again within a year. Dont forget the seals too.
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      05-02-2012 07:40 PM #13
      Timken Part #s:
      Front: SET39
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      Rear Outer: SET8
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      05-02-2012 11:52 PM #14
      thanks guys but actually it was just the bolts that tighten the bearings down very easy and simple fix. huh im glad i do all my own work on my fox

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      05-03-2012 12:23 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by foxy0505 View Post
      thanks guys but actually it was just the bolts that tighten the bearings down very easy and simple fix. huh im glad i do all my own work on my fox
      Did you check the bearings just in case? How long was it like that?

      With those loose you could have caused some damage. The nut should be just tight enough that the drum still spins freely, and then get a cotter pin to hold it in and the dust cap. The nut should never back off if its installed properly. I would take em apart and repack them at a minimum, doesn't cost much money and better than having one fail on ya while driving....
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      05-03-2012 04:00 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Leader View Post
      I would take em apart and repack them at a minimum, doesn't cost much money and better than having one fail on ya while driving...
      Years ago a was passenger in a friends Fox when one of the wheel bearings let go at 70mph on the highway, heard/felt a little thump and then got passed by our own rear wheel. Luckily no loss of control, but removing the overheated and seized wheel bearing was to this day one of the biggest pain in the ass projects ever. Just remember, that one big nut is holding your brake drum to the axle and your wheel is attached only to the brake drum. It only takes about 10 minutes per side to re-pack them, and maybe 30 to replace them. Took us 7 hours in a parking lot to make his Fox driveable that day.

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      05-03-2012 01:39 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Leader View Post
      SOME BA stuff is not crappy, as mentioned it sometimes is good repackaged stuff. Also realize that I use these parts in a race car that gets hammered on so it may work perfectly fine in the real world, but at 6000 rpms for 14 hours, not so much. But in many cases they are the only game in town if I need the part "right now" as I often do. Or the cost difference for another brand is completely prohibitive for a part that likely won't end our race if it still doesn't work.
      I'm not seriously dissing BA, but they're business model has always been to never manufacture anything, they just buy from other companies and repackage in their own box.

      Most parts houses have access to all these same parts via the individual mfgr names anyway if they really want to run a quality business. The only thing that BA does is make access to some parts a little easier, but otherwise they add no economic value to the parts.

      BA is a business is that just buys and sells, and their biz model is just buying in bulk and scraping off the extra that they need to keep the lights on in their offices.

      When all the parts we got came out of Germany, that's what BA was selling, and we were happy, but now that a lot of parts come out of China that's where BA parts are coming from. It's the nature of what they do.

      The biggest question now is how long can they get buy with this biz model....

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      05-03-2012 01:48 PM #18
      yeah, I am not into supporting that. thanks for clearing that up.
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      05-04-2012 12:47 PM #19
      i allready packed them they are good as new. but the bolt was help on by a bottle cap looking thing that the pin holds the bolt in place that cap slipped over the pin and the nut moved thats what happend. so i bent it back to shape and now it drives smooth as ever =]

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      05-05-2012 04:46 PM #20
      I just replaced my bearings and packed them with grease but there is a hum sound. I tightened the bolt to where the wheels spins freely but could I have overtightened it? Could I have not tightened it enough? I'm not sure what to do.
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      05-10-2012 09:24 PM #21
      I got my Timken parts...

      Seals - Made in Indonesia
      Front Bearing - Made in USA
      Rear Inner - Made in Brazil
      Rear Outer - Made in France

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      I also got and returned Seals that were ordered as Timken - but delivered as National Federal Mogul - Made in Mexico. Seems the two companies merged at one point - but, now that I see these parts are made all over the globe - that seems pointless. I guess everyone is doing it.
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