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  1. 05-02-2012 11:42 AM #1
    So i was thinking about doing sm mods to my swaped r32 gli. I want to accomplish a minimum 300 hp wth n/a if possible(new the 3.2 engine. I know its not really possible on the 2.8 w/ out FI). I was thinking about doing a full custom exhaust with 2.5" downpipe and 3" straightpipe to muffler, a neuspeed cai or similar, schrik 268/264 cams, light weigh flywheel, stage 1 clutch that holds max 375tq, possibly bigger injectors, a tune from Jeff at UM, possible had work, and a possible 100 shot if im not happy wih the end amount of power.

    I have now come accrose the long neck short runner CVP intake manifold. Iminterested to know if ths would help me help at all. I have read that this intake maks you lose alot of your low end power and I would rather avoid that. Has anyone had sucess with this mani on an n/a car with like mods or could anyonetell me if this would be sucessful with these mods?

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    05-02-2012 12:30 PM #2
    The CVP manifold was kind of a bust. With the right tune you can make it work, but you will most likely lose low end. To my knowledge the CVP setup hasn't been dynoed with a UM tune.

    You won't make 300 wheel without your 100 shot nitrous.

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    05-02-2012 12:42 PM #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Norkoth View Post
    The CVP manifold was kind of a bust. With the right tune you can make it work, but you will most likely lose low end. To my knowledge the CVP setup hasn't been dynoed with a UM tune.

    You won't make 300 wheel without your 100 shot nitrous.

    CVP setup hasn't been dynoed with a UM tune YET! it's in the plans to be dynoed.
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    All of the above four points. Plus I have received great service from Jeff and from Luis at Automobile Day Spa.

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    05-02-2012 01:51 PM #4
    Quote Originally Posted by nkgneto View Post
    CVP setup hasn't been dynoed with a UM tune YET! it's in the plans to be dynoed.
    This guy, is currently testing this with the UM tune and the CVP stg 1/2 package. Some day Lui will get cams and we can see what this baby will do with the CVP and Jeffs tuning. I have a couple of ideas to get more power out of the N/A setup but since I'm adding a Supercharger, i don't wanna spend the money in that area.

    Best of luck to you but you won't be making 300 Wheel HP NA with what is available.

  5. 05-02-2012 02:03 PM #5
    Quote Originally Posted by BOUDAH View Post
    This guy, is currently testing this with the UM tune and the CVP stg 1/2 package. Some day Lui will get cams and we can see what this baby will do with the CVP and Jeffs tuning. I have a couple of ideas to get more power out of the N/A setup but since I'm adding a Supercharger, i don't wanna spend the money in that area.

    Best of luck to you but you won't be making 300 Wheel HP NA with what is available.
    Yeah ive been talking to him and whats the stock wheel power of an r32 and whats the stock wheel power of the 24v 2.8??

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    05-02-2012 03:01 PM #6
    R32 is around 200. A 2.8 s like 176. Some correct me if I'm wrong

  7. 05-02-2012 03:10 PM #7
    So they both lose 230-40 hp after the crank. So really my goal is 260 to wheels 300 to crank

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    05-02-2012 03:58 PM #8
    Quote Originally Posted by mikegioia17 View Post
    So they both lose 230-40 hp after the crank. So really my goal is 260 to wheels 300 to crank
    Lose 240? The r at the crank is 240. So it's about 40 hp from crank. 260 wheel is attainable if you have schrick 268 cams, headers high flow cats. Intake tune That's not even a challenge haha

  9. 05-02-2012 04:06 PM #9
    Quote Originally Posted by BOUDAH View Post
    Lose 240? The r at the crank is 240. So it's about 40 hp from crank. 260 wheel is attainable if you have schrick 268 cams, headers high flow cats. Intake tune That's not even a challenge haha
    Didnt mean to pit the 2 there... Just ment you lose. 30-40* at the crank. I just want to build the motor as much as i can and get as much power out of it as i can. 300 to the crank apperently is my start goal 260 to the wheels if i still lose as much as 40 hp with a lightweight flywheel and what not

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    05-02-2012 04:15 PM #10
    Out of curiosity is your GLI AWD or FWD?

  11. 05-02-2012 04:28 PM #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky666 View Post
    Out of curiosity is your GLI AWD or FWD?
    Now i wish i could give you the impressive answer and say AWD but i cant its FWD

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    05-02-2012 05:28 PM #12
    250whp is useless in fwd.

    I've lost awd in my R on 2 different occasions over the years.. and anything over part throttle just lights em up.


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  13. 05-02-2012 06:13 PM #13
    Mazdaspeed 3s come with 265 stock fwd. im not to worried about that ill just spend more money on gripy tires

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    05-02-2012 06:33 PM #14
    Quote Originally Posted by mikegioia17 View Post
    Mazdaspeed 3s come with 265 stock fwd. im not to worried about that ill just spend more money on gripy tires
    Their ecu also limits boost in the first two gears to limit tq steer. But back to your question, testing hasn't really been done thoroughly on that manifold coupled with other upgrades.

  15. 05-02-2012 06:39 PM #15
    Well then i hope nkgneto has those numbers in before i do it or ill be waiting till after eerything else is done.

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    05-02-2012 07:05 PM #16
    Quote Originally Posted by mikegioia17 View Post
    Mazdaspeed 3s come with 265 stock fwd. im not to worried about that

    265 crank in a car that needs to spool is different than 250whp in a NA car.
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    05-02-2012 07:17 PM #17
    Someone lend Luis some $ so we can get some awd dyno #'s


    Hehe
    My prediction with cams would be around 255awhp

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    05-02-2012 07:19 PM #18
    I am not sure exactly how much power you would lose on the low end but it also depends on what you want to do with the car. The low end power will get you going faster but will level off sooner while the top end will accelerate longer. Might not be 100% how it works all the time but that is sort of how I remember it.
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  19. 05-02-2012 07:19 PM #19
    Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
    265 crank in a car that needs to spool is different than 250whp in a NA car.
    Wellthen the 06 or 07 tls with the 300 hp v6 n/a. Thats only fwd. mazdaspeed was the only car o could think of at the time

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    05-02-2012 07:36 PM #20
    Quote Originally Posted by jerd View Post
    Someone lend Luis some $ so we can get some awd dyno #'s


    Hehe
    My prediction with cams would be around 255awhp
    That's what I'm talking about!


    Quote Originally Posted by motoo344 View Post
    I am not sure exactly how much power you would lose on the low end but it also depends on what you want to do with the car. The low end power will get you going faster but will level off sooner while the top end will accelerate longer. Might not be 100% how it works all the time but that is sort of how I remember it.
    Well with my new tune it pulls very early now! vs my previous tune.

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    All of the above four points. Plus I have received great service from Jeff and from Luis at Automobile Day Spa.

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    05-02-2012 07:53 PM #21
    Quote Originally Posted by mikegioia17 View Post
    Now i wish i could give you the impressive answer and say AWD but i cant its FWD
    Search dr e brown or vrduckin , His name is matt , he put a hpa gen 1 Manifold with tectonics cams and a um tune on his 2.8 gli with an R 32 head. It pulls like an sob he added tectonics downpipes a hfc and a tectonics cat back. Car is bitchin

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    05-03-2012 12:43 AM #22
    Um ftw!
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    Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
    Luis has been the most responsive person I've dealt with in the VW world. There's a lot of big name shops that could learn a lot from his customer service skills.
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    All of the above four points. Plus I have received great service from Jeff and from Luis at Automobile Day Spa.

  23. 05-03-2012 10:46 PM #23
    Quote Originally Posted by BOUDAH View Post
    Search dr e brown or vrduckin , His name is matt , he put a hpa gen 1 Manifold with tectonics cams and a um tune on his 2.8 gli with an R 32 head. It pulls like an sob he added tectonics downpipes a hfc and a tectonics cat back. Car is bitchin
    Names 29er now. But thanks.

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    05-04-2012 01:35 PM #24
    Quote Originally Posted by mikegioia17 View Post
    Names 29er now. But thanks.
    Matt changed his name to 29er..... Ok

  25. 05-04-2012 03:53 PM #25
    I PMed him.. No response yet. Can anyone comment on the c2 motorsports SRI??

  26. 05-06-2012 01:48 AM #26
    Noone else?

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