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      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      Okay. My friend George already had a black-over-red '59 190SL that he'd been driving for a few years. He bought that one in '72 for $1,100. It was a great-running car, but was a rustbucket, with see-through front inner fenders (literally...the passenger side had plastic dropcloth taped over a gaping hole that allowed one to look down next to one's right foot, and observe the wheel and suspension working...very cool actually ), and which was threatening to break into two 190SL halves, since the floorpan was rotting pretty badly. It actually did break in two the next year while going over a rough grade crossing in Gary, Indiana, btw.

      So anyway, one nice summer's day in '74 George and I were riding around aimlessly (riding around aimlessly was a major pastime of ours then) in "Old Black", when lo and behold we came across a yard sale in Munster, Indiana near where we lived. Parked in the driveway, next to the tables full of worthless chotchkey was a white 190SL, with a "FOR SALE" sign on the back bumper. George immediately swung into the guy's driveway, and we looked it over. It was amazingly rust-free, except for the rear quarter panels just behind the wheels and underneath the "brows" over the wheels, which were rusting notably, otherwise the car was dead-solid everywhere. It was unrestored and original, and tired-looking, but ALL 190SLs looked tired in the early seventies. The owner was a guy in his 40s, and he told us about the car, and how he had owned it for a year or so, and had had the local Mercedes Benz dealership put a brand-new $2,000 longblock engine in it, as the original had tossed a rod out the side of the block. George and I looked at each other with excitement mounting. "How much for it?" was George's question by now. The guy was "hoping to get" $1,200 for it, but he explained how it couldn't be driven. He was simply bailing out on the car, probably with pressure from his wife. "WHY?" was our next question, since it had a brand-new engine and all. The guy explained how he had tried to tune it up and synchronize the carbs, but had messed something up so badly that it just sputtered and coughed and would not accelerate at all; just barely moving up to about 20 mph or so. George opened the hood and while the guy was busy with other people, he felt around beneath the carburetors. He caught my eye, and then went over to the guy and asked him if he and I could take it for a short drive just to get an idea of how bad things might be. The guy said go ahead.

      So, we sputtered and coughed our way down to the corner, and George turned right. When the car was out of sight of the guy back at his house, George pulled over and opened the hood. "Check this out." he said, as he reached underneath the front carburetor and grasped a piece of linkage that was completely concealed from sight (these engines have BIG carbs). He snapped the linkage into place, and then blipped the throttle. VROOOOOOOOM! went the newly alive engine! The front carb had been disconnected! We hopped in, and suddenly the thing ran and sounded exactly like a new BMW 2002! Smooth and torquey, it was beautiful! Before going back to the guy's house, George disconnected the linkage, which "restored" the engine back to its wheezy, spluttering self.

      George went to the guy, and told him that he would pay $1,000 for the car, since it needed work. An hour or so later, George was the owner of TWO 190SLs.

      The white SL in the picture above was the star of this story. It was fully restored over a period of about 4 years in the early 2000s. George had methodically, during the seventies and early eighties, purchased every single piece of NOS trim, upholstery, hardware, stickers, you-name-it, that he would need to fully and authentically restore his "good" SL, and when the time was right for him to take on the project, he had everything he needed, and all of it GENUINE Mercedes Benz, and by then no longer available through MB. The convertible top and the windshield are NOS Mercedes Benz. The outside mirror is a very rare "long neck" type, again NOS. Even the rusty rear quarter panels he purchased new from Mercedes Benz.

      I would relate the condition of this car to that of our resident concours-expert's Continental Mark II convertible, that of Barry Wolk. It's damned near perfect. Just as it should be; that's the way they left the assembly hall in Unterturkheim.
      I enjoyed that.

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      05-04-2012 08:29 PM #27
      I had one. It was so worn out it had an "O" shift pattern. Mine didn't drive so good. Sold it to a friend who never took it off the trailer. He let it rot there. Some people.:bang head:

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      05-04-2012 08:48 PM #28
      It's funny now to imagine a time when such machines were just "old foreign beaters" to most people, eh Barry? You're like me and my buddies; we glommed onto the "foreign car thing" by the time we were out of highschool, and got our interest so ginned-up that we sought out these old "beaters", and enjoyed the hell out of them before they became more valuable than the Hope Diamond. We had our "kuchen" and ate it, too!
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      05-04-2012 08:58 PM #29
      They were literally a dime a dozen. In fact, in 1982, I think it was, I got a call from my banker who said he had to get rid of a bunch of ratty old Porsches sitting outside a closed repair shop. The bank had title to the cars and just wanted them gone. Sight unseen I offered $100 each for all 10. I flipped them the next day for $200 each, where they were. I thought I was pretty damn smart. For the last 20 years I've been kicking myself regularly, twice a day, for not realizing what I had. I came across the bill of sale 20 years ago that said I sold 4 Speedsters, 4 Coupes and 2 Cab 356s in various state of repair for $2,000.

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      05-04-2012 08:58 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      It's funny now to imagine a time when such machines were just "old foreign beaters" to most people, eh Barry? You're like me and my buddies; we glommed onto the "foreign car thing" by the time we were out of highschool, and got our interest so ginned-up that we sought out these old "beaters", and enjoyed the hell out of them before they became more valuable than the Hope Diamond. We had our "kuchen" and ate it, too!
      It makes you wonder what cars that are cheap today will be... not so cheap in the future.

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      05-04-2012 09:54 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      I came across the bill of sale 20 years ago that said I sold 4 Speedsters, 4 Coupes and 2 Cab 356s in various state of repair for $2,000.

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      05-04-2012 09:57 PM #32
      Tell me about it.
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    9. 05-04-2012 10:55 PM #34
      Great story!

      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      Okay. My friend George already had a black-over-red '59 190SL that he'd been driving for a few years. He bought that one in '72 for $1,100. It was a great-running car, but was a rustbucket, with see-through front inner fenders (literally...the passenger side had plastic dropcloth taped over a gaping hole that allowed one to look down next to one's right foot, and observe the wheel and suspension working...very cool actually ), and which was threatening to break into two 190SL halves, since the floorpan was rotting pretty badly. It actually did break in two the next year while going over a rough grade crossing in Gary, Indiana, btw.

      So anyway, one nice summer's day in '74 George and I were riding around aimlessly (riding around aimlessly was a major pastime of ours then) in "Old Black", when lo and behold we came across a yard sale in Munster, Indiana near where we lived. Parked in the driveway, next to the tables full of worthless chotchkey was a white 190SL, with a "FOR SALE" sign on the back bumper. George immediately swung into the guy's driveway, and we looked it over. It was amazingly rust-free, except for the rear quarter panels just behind the wheels and underneath the "brows" over the wheels, which were rusting notably, otherwise the car was dead-solid everywhere. It was unrestored and original, and tired-looking, but ALL 190SLs looked tired in the early seventies. The owner was a guy in his 40s, and he told us about the car, and how he had owned it for a year or so, and had had the local Mercedes Benz dealership put a brand-new $2,000 longblock engine in it, as the original had tossed a rod out the side of the block. George and I looked at each other with excitement mounting. "How much for it?" was George's question by now. The guy was "hoping to get" $1,200 for it, but he explained how it couldn't be driven. He was simply bailing out on the car, probably with pressure from his wife. "WHY?" was our next question, since it had a brand-new engine and all. The guy explained how he had tried to tune it up and synchronize the carbs, but had messed something up so badly that it just sputtered and coughed and would not accelerate at all; just barely moving up to about 20 mph or so. George opened the hood and while the guy was busy with other people, he felt around beneath the carburetors. He caught my eye, and then went over to the guy and asked him if he and I could take it for a short drive just to get an idea of how bad things might be. The guy said go ahead.

      So, we sputtered and coughed our way down to the corner, and George turned right. When the car was out of sight of the guy back at his house, George pulled over and opened the hood. "Check this out." he said, as he reached underneath the front carburetor and grasped a piece of linkage that was completely concealed from sight (these engines have BIG carbs). He snapped the linkage into place, and then blipped the throttle. VROOOOOOOOM! went the newly alive engine! The front carb had been disconnected! We hopped in, and suddenly the thing ran and sounded exactly like a new BMW 2002! Smooth and torquey, it was beautiful! Before going back to the guy's house, George disconnected the linkage, which "restored" the engine back to its wheezy, spluttering self.

      George went to the guy, and told him that he would pay $1,000 for the car, since it needed work. An hour or so later, George was the owner of TWO 190SLs.

      The white SL in the picture above was the star of this story. It was fully restored over a period of about 4 years in the early 2000s. George had methodically, during the seventies and early eighties, purchased every single piece of NOS trim, upholstery, hardware, stickers, you-name-it, that he would need to fully and authentically restore his "good" SL, and when the time was right for him to take on the project, he had everything he needed, and all of it GENUINE Mercedes Benz, and by then no longer available through MB. The convertible top and the windshield are NOS Mercedes Benz. The outside mirror is a very rare "long neck" type, again NOS. Even the rusty rear quarter panels he purchased new from Mercedes Benz.

      I would relate the condition of this car to that of our resident concours-expert's Continental Mark II convertible, that of Barry Wolk. It's damned near perfect. Just as it should be; that's the way they left the assembly hall in Unterturkheim.

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      05-04-2012 11:42 PM #35
      Larry's stories are the best.
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    11. 05-05-2012 01:48 AM #36
      I dig this thread! cool stories

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      05-05-2012 03:49 AM #37
      I love reading some of these stories. I often wonder what cars we'll be regretting passing up on, selling, or driving into the ground, in 30 years or so.

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      05-05-2012 09:29 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by jettagli1991 View Post
      I love reading some of these stories. I often wonder what cars we'll be regretting passing up on, selling, or driving into the ground, in 30 years or so.
      Cars are nothing without the people upon which they have such profound effects, and those effects are nothing without the stories that they inspire, and those stories are nothing without the next generations of people who enjoy hearing them. It's a continuum.
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      05-05-2012 11:43 AM #39
      This thread turned out pretty awesome. In for more stories. It is difficult for me to imagine these cars ever just being "old beaters"
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    15. 05-05-2012 12:42 PM #40
      In the classic car community I feel that there is nothing but stories like these. I would currently equate the Mazda Miata to the old British sportscars of the day. I race in Spec Miata, SCCA and I recent had to buy some parts cars. I never paid more than $700 for a full car and then pieced cars together to flip. They are fun little cars, great race cars, and people have tons of stories about them.

    16. 05-07-2012 09:43 PM #41
      Bump for more good stories.

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      05-07-2012 11:45 PM #42
      Cool thread and stories! Gorgeous old Benz's!

      Back in the mid 70's my dad turned down a series 1 XKE roadster with a blown head gasket for $1200, did buy a early C2 small block vette for $800 with a blown motor if I remember correctly. All money and a time machine right? My wifes uncle DID buy in the late 70's a 66 435HP 427 Vette convertible for next to nothing with a blown motor. It now is a survivor, in decent shape albeit having been parked in a garage for the last 15 years, but the 427 is long gone, replaced with a built 454 from shortly after buying it.

      I have the same kind of opportunities fall into my lap all the time, but most BMW's will be worth nothing in 30 years. Wait for a junker Z8? hahaha....... although, we do get ONE in from time to time with Montana plates. Car has 80K or so miles on it, scrapes and dents all over it (all aluminum body) a TRASHED and dirty light cream interior and needs all sorts of work. He uses it to drive back and forth to his other house in Montana as a "highway" car.... problem is, nobody can afford to restore the damn thing that works in the shop, if he would ever sell it! We did have an E60 M5 that popped a motor recently, all of 6xK miles on it. Guy wouldn't buy it. Offers were floating around for between $5-$10K as is.... motor replacement was estimated at $32K..... more then the car booked for. It got towed out, and last I heard, was being sold "as-is" at auction.
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    18. 05-08-2012 12:14 PM #43
      Yeah my Dad collects Jaguars and other British makes. We have had a few E-Types. The roadsters are worth more, but I prefer the lines of the coupe, we have two currently. One has triple weber carbs, and it sounds like a Ferrari. Here is one we recently sold on ebay that went to Australia, the car was converted to right hand drive before being shipped.








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      what are prices like on a non-restored e type?

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      05-08-2012 12:36 PM #45
      There's a nice Type 1 convertible driver on BAT for $38,000.
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      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      There's a nice Type 1 convertible driver on BAT for $38,000.
      oh, thats not that outrageous...

      the coupes are stunning

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      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      It's become popular to poormouth these cars over the years. My experience has been that those who criticize them tend to be those who have never spent a minute's time with a well-fettled 190SL. They are among the most underrated of all postwar automobiles, IMO. And yes, they are NOT "fast". WHO CARES?
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      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      Okay. My friend George already had a black-over-red '59 190SL that he'd been driving for a few years. He bought that one in '72 for $1,100. It was a great-running car, but was a rustbucket, with see-through front inner fenders (literally...the passenger side had plastic dropcloth taped over a gaping hole that allowed one to look down next to one's right foot, and observe the wheel and suspension working...very cool actually ), and which was threatening to break into two 190SL halves, since the floorpan was rotting pretty badly. It actually did break in two the next year while going over a rough grade crossing in Gary, Indiana, btw.

      So anyway, one nice summer's day in '74 George and I were riding around aimlessly (riding around aimlessly was a major pastime of ours then) in "Old Black", when lo and behold we came across a yard sale in Munster, Indiana near where we lived. Parked in the driveway, next to the tables full of worthless chotchkey was a white 190SL, with a "FOR SALE" sign on the back bumper. George immediately swung into the guy's driveway, and we looked it over. It was amazingly rust-free, except for the rear quarter panels just behind the wheels and underneath the "brows" over the wheels, which were rusting notably, otherwise the car was dead-solid everywhere. It was unrestored and original, and tired-looking, but ALL 190SLs looked tired in the early seventies. The owner was a guy in his 40s, and he told us about the car, and how he had owned it for a year or so, and had had the local Mercedes Benz dealership put a brand-new $2,000 longblock engine in it, as the original had tossed a rod out the side of the block. George and I looked at each other with excitement mounting. "How much for it?" was George's question by now. The guy was "hoping to get" $1,200 for it, but he explained how it couldn't be driven. He was simply bailing out on the car, probably with pressure from his wife. "WHY?" was our next question, since it had a brand-new engine and all. The guy explained how he had tried to tune it up and synchronize the carbs, but had messed something up so badly that it just sputtered and coughed and would not accelerate at all; just barely moving up to about 20 mph or so. George opened the hood and while the guy was busy with other people, he felt around beneath the carburetors. He caught my eye, and then went over to the guy and asked him if he and I could take it for a short drive just to get an idea of how bad things might be. The guy said go ahead.

      So, we sputtered and coughed our way down to the corner, and George turned right. When the car was out of sight of the guy back at his house, George pulled over and opened the hood. "Check this out." he said, as he reached underneath the front carburetor and grasped a piece of linkage that was completely concealed from sight (these engines have BIG carbs). He snapped the linkage into place, and then blipped the throttle. VROOOOOOOOM! went the newly alive engine! The front carb had been disconnected! We hopped in, and suddenly the thing ran and sounded exactly like a new BMW 2002! Smooth and torquey, it was beautiful! Before going back to the guy's house, George disconnected the linkage, which "restored" the engine back to its wheezy, spluttering self.

      George went to the guy, and told him that he would pay $1,000 for the car, since it needed work. An hour or so later, George was the owner of TWO 190SLs.

      The white SL in the picture above was the star of this story. It was fully restored over a period of about 4 years in the early 2000s. George had methodically, during the seventies and early eighties, purchased every single piece of NOS trim, upholstery, hardware, stickers, you-name-it, that he would need to fully and authentically restore his "good" SL, and when the time was right for him to take on the project, he had everything he needed, and all of it GENUINE Mercedes Benz, and by then no longer available through MB. The convertible top and the windshield are NOS Mercedes Benz. The outside mirror is a very rare "long neck" type, again NOS. Even the rusty rear quarter panels he purchased new from Mercedes Benz.

      I would relate the condition of this car to that of our resident concours-expert's Continental Mark II convertible, that of Barry Wolk. It's damned near perfect. Just as it should be; that's the way they left the assembly hall in Unterturkheim.
      Wouldn't someone with a decent conscious let the guy know "hey, it was a 2-second fix...there's no way, in good conscious, I can rip you off by taking your car for next to nothing when there really wasn't anything wrong with it."

      I know I'd never have the heart to do that to an old man.

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      05-08-2012 01:04 PM #49
      We're both sociopaths, so......no.
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      05-08-2012 01:06 PM #50
      I don't call a guy in his forties an old man! Besides, one guys stupidity = another man's gain!

      Great story, Larry! And good grief, Barry! Couldn't you at least kept a couple for yourself?

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