Projector/HIDs...Lets hear your successful swaps!

[nolan386]

Iam looking for some projectors or HIDS for my wifes new passat. What is proven to work?? Is there anyone in the US that we can get the euro projectors from?

I want hids but do not want any unwanted codes.

[nolan386]

Cmon no one? lets see some pictureeeesssss

[njm23]

You have 2 options.. OEM HID, or aftermarket retrofit.. The problem with retrofitting a projector is the headlights are sealed with permaseal, good luck getting them open without damaging anything, and good luck getting a solid seal to close them.

But, I decided spending $300 on a bixennon projector is better than over a grand for oem projectors, so i'll be doing that. Probably end up buying an "oem aftermarket" headlight which wont be sealed with permaseal that i'll be able to get open in 5 minutes.

The amount of guys I see on here running HID kits on the reflector housing and thinking it is OK, amazes me..

to add, it is easy to get HID's installed without a code, USP has a kit they were advertising a little bit ago, im sure other companies do too

[TheOtherStig]

You have 2 options.. OEM HID, or aftermarket retrofit.. The problem with retrofitting a projector is the headlights are sealed with permaseal, good luck getting them open without damaging anything, and good luck getting a solid seal to close them.

But, I decided spending $300 on a bixennon projector is better than over a grand for oem projectors, so i'll be doing that. Probably end up buying an "oem aftermarket" headlight which wont be sealed with permaseal that i'll be able to get open in 5 minutes.

The amount of guys I see on here running HID kits on the reflector housing and thinking it is OK, amazes me..

to add, it is easy to get HID's installed without a code, USP has a kit they were advertising a little bit ago, im sure other companies do too

Why do you think its not ok to use HID's with OEM housings....have you done it before...?

I have had them in a few cars and never any glare problems, as long as they are aimed properly and you dont have a crazy stupid color like 8K, then they are absolutely fine.

There are lights that produce alot of unwanted glare, but most are older style diffused headlight covers. The CC has virtually no extra glare on my garage even at only 3 or 4 feet vs. my stock halogen bulbs.

You know what amazes me?....The amount of people who really don't really have any proof or factual knowledge on a subject and still talk **** about it anyway.

[jbcc]

Yeah but the problem is no one does aim their headlights properly...so I think in actuality it is factual more than not. I'm not sure why people do it it anyways it looks like a blobby ball of light coming from the whole headlight...which looks like s**t in my opinion. Everyone can tell they are just cheap $50 knock offs. A proper HID has a very refined look and a very definitive light contained in the round projector housing. Oh, and having been blinded by those things on cheap crappy cars and trucks plenty of times I think I can factually say almost all the time that THEY SUCK. To me they just scream I'm poor and this is all I could afford to make my car look more expensive than it is.

And I don't buy the "I do it because its the only way I can see the road" excuse. Screw that. People have done fine with halogens for many many years.

Just my arrogant opinion.

[MrRline]

Yeah but the problem is no one does aim their headlights properly...so I think in actuality it is factual more than not. I'm not sure why people do it it anyways it looks like a blobby ball of light coming from the whole headlight...which looks like s**t in my opinion. Everyone can tell they are just cheap $50 knock offs. A proper HID has a very refined look and a very definitive light contained in the round projector housing. Oh, and having been blinded by those things on cheap crappy cars and trucks plenty of times I think I can factually say almost all the time that THEY SUCK. To me they just scream I'm poor and this is all I could afford to make my car look more expensive than it is.

And I don't buy the "I do it because its the only way I can see the road" excuse. Screw that. People have done fine with halogens for many many years.

Just my arrogant opinion.

Make sure you have your pinky high in.the air with that post

[jbcc]

Make sure you have your pinky high in.the air with that post

Just pretend the thumb is a pinky

[Bill6211789]

Why do you think its not ok to use HID's with OEM housings....have you done it before...?

I have had them in a few cars and never any glare problems, as long as they are aimed properly and you dont have a crazy stupid color like 8K, then they are absolutely fine.

There are lights that produce alot of unwanted glare, but most are older style diffused headlight covers. The CC has virtually no extra glare on my garage even at only 3 or 4 feet vs. my stock halogen bulbs.

You know what amazes me?....The amount of people who really don't really have any proof or factual knowledge on a subject and still talk **** about it anyway.

What proof do u have that they dont glare?

Ive seen many cars with "properly" aimed hid drop in kits and they glare horrible.

Reflector housings made for halogens are not designed to aim the brighter HiD bulbs.

Even halogen projector housings you its iffy to run HiDs in but they are much better bc they focus the light better.

Sent from my EVO 4G

[MrRline]

Honestly who cares. I have to deal with watching people on welfare you have to deal with my drop in hids. Sorry about your luck

[Bill6211789]

Honestly who cares. I have to deal with watching people on welfare you have to deal with my drop in hids. Sorry about your luck

make sure ur run 10k HIDs too bc they look cooler

Watching people on welfare doesnt blind you when your drving at night.

But good comparison

Sent from my EVO 4G

[njm23]

Why do you think its not ok to use HID's with OEM housings....have you done it before...?

I have had them in a few cars and never any glare problems, as long as they are aimed properly and you dont have a crazy stupid color like 8K, then they are absolutely fine.

There are lights that produce alot of unwanted glare, but most are older style diffused headlight covers. The CC has virtually no extra glare on my garage even at only 3 or 4 feet vs. my stock halogen bulbs.

You know what amazes me?....The amount of people who really don't really have any proof or factual knowledge on a subject and still talk **** about it anyway.

Aside from any issues about glare and cut off lines etc... let me just tell you this. it is ILLEGAL, that is it. Nothing else really needs to be said about it, and guess what, cops in my area actually ticket for it, which is the way it should be, the only reason you maybe don't blind everyone is because your car/headlights are low to the ground, go pull up next to a CC or any car with OEM projectors housings, compare your cut off lines, or lack there of and get back to me . Reflector housings are made for halogen bulbs, it can't be anymore clear cut than that. This topic doesn't need to be discussed as you and everyone else who think hid's in reflector housings are just fine and there is nothing wrong with running them in something they were not designed for, so I am not going to argue over it, as it will never end.

[de_bklyn]

Oh !@#&, HID police!! ... LMAO

[MrRline]

Woo the police are here. Lets hear some more from Clifton park on why we shouldnt be allowed to breathe the same air he does with his areas big 82k a year median family income. Or maybe we can hear more from Mr illegal. As if laws are made with the Devine wisdom of god and come from ethical people who arent at all affluent or have personal agendas. Maybe next he can point out all the crashes and deaths caused by hids for the three to five second s they visually come into view. Ill give him a hint on his research though. There are none and you know why? its because.theres nothing wrong with them in the first place. Please disprove anything ive said. as to the topic id sure like abset of bi xeons and as soon as you all donate the 600 bucks required for a.set to.my Paypal ill get a set for my aftermarket hids

Hope you kids are having as much fun as I am

[njm23]

go pull up next to a CC or any car with OEM projectors housings, compare your cut off lines, or lack there of and get back to me .

Woo the police are here. Lets hear some more from Clifton park on why we shouldnt be allowed to breathe the same air he does with his areas big 82k a year median family income. Or maybe we can hear more from Mr illegal. As if laws are made with the Devine wisdom of god and come from ethical people who arent at all affluent or have personal agendas. Maybe next he can point out all the crashes and deaths caused by hids for the three to five second s they visually come into view. Ill give him a hint on his research though. There are none and you know why? its because.theres nothing wrong with them in the first place. Please disprove anything ive said. as to the topic id sure like abset of bi xeons and as soon as you all donate the 600 bucks required for a.set to.my Paypal ill get a set for my aftermarket hids

Hope you kids are having as much fun as I am

You are being ridiculously arrogant about the topic. I am including these 2 links, feel free to read and get some real world facts about hid bulbs added on to a light not meant for them and have your opinion put to crap. Otherwise, won't be replying back to this thread as you act like a little kid and clearly can't have a valid argument about it, rather just base everything off of your own opinion.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

[MrRline]

You are being ridiculously arrogant about the topic. I am including these 2 links, feel free to read and get some real world facts about hid bulbs added on to a light not meant for them and have your opinion put to crap. Otherwise, won't be replying back to this thread as you act like a little kid and clearly can't have a valid argument about it, rather just base everything off of your own opinion.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

Seen these before not interested. Maybe next we can debate reducing the speed limit to 55 again using the same logic and old fashioned videos. I'l be quite honest I very much enjoy my hids and have no plan to remove them. At this point my further replies are only to agitate you unless you buy me a set of oem projector housings and in that case I will assimilate and say hids are bad!

[Bill6211789]

Woo the police are here. Lets hear some more from Clifton park on why we shouldnt be allowed to breathe the same air he does with his areas big 82k a year median family income. Or maybe we can hear more from Mr illegal. As if laws are made with the Devine wisdom of god and come from ethical people who arent at all affluent or have personal agendas. Maybe next he can point out all the crashes and deaths caused by hids for the three to five second s they visually come into view. Ill give him a hint on his research though. There are none and you know why? its because.theres nothing wrong with them in the first place. Please disprove anything ive said. as to the topic id sure like abset of bi xeons and as soon as you all donate the 600 bucks required for a.set to.my Paypal ill get a set for my aftermarket hids

Hope you kids are having as much fun as I am

LOL when you have no valid info that pertains to the topic u attack where i live and make it sound like im better then anyone here??? HAHAHAHA


YOU'RE COOL BRO

you must have owned a Honda with a big spoiler bf you bought a CC

[MrRline]

LOL when you have no valid info that pertains to the topic u attack where i live and make it sound like im better then anyone here??? HAHAHAHA


YOU'RE COOL BRO

you must have owned a Honda with a big spoiler bf you bought a CC

Yet you quote all my valid points. I guess I could make them easier to understand

* 0 crashes or deaths caused by HID's
* Rich people with Bi-xeons are the one's who are crying
* Laws are made by people who don't follow laws, and people who are affluent(IE Rich stupid people make laws)


Really even look at this from a scientific perspective. When negative feedback is introduced into an environment (such as hids in your face)a coping mechanism is made to balance back to a state of homeostasis. When you come at HID's head on you don't close your eyes. Your eyes move slightly over from the light source and adjust. If your eyes had to close or turn completely away then I would agree that hids are dangerous and should be made illegal however they don't. They have a coping mechanism built in that doesn't cause you to lose control of your car or lose all vision. It's because of this reasoning that I can't support the idea that omfg hids are so bad for you and it leads me to believe that it's a cry baby attempt from a social group or in this case the group of people who say I run bi-xeons and i'm so proud that my ballast cost 400 dollars instead of 50.

I'm not even sure why i'm going this far but here's a picture of the cutoff of my hids. Works fine for me at stock ride height. I can see a clear cutoff and if you really want to get technical I can go ahead and measure this with a tape measure tonight. If my hids were as you say a problem and blinding then I suppose the light would be shining all the way to the top of the wall. It's the same no matter where I take it and unless your car is lower than those signs on the wall which unless you are the camber bunny and I know your not. Then you should have 0 reason to have a problem other than trying to show that you think your superior for having bi-xeons.

[nolan386]

This **** is getting epic...can we get some more pics of peoples HID's! Or continue the debate im learning alot....

[Bill6211789]

Yet you quote all my valid points. I guess I could make them easier to understand

* 0 crashes or deaths caused by HID's

And you know this how??? bc if u blinded someone and they went off the road u would turn around and take blame? the way u compose yourself i HIGHLY doubt that

* Rich people with Bi-xeons are the one's who are crying

I don't have Bi-xenon headlights (your wrong again P.S.)

* Laws are made by people who don't follow laws, and people who are affluent(IE Rich stupid people make laws)

BC idiots like yourself do dumb stuff

Really even look at this from a scientific perspective. When negative feedback is introduced into an environment (such as hids in your face)a coping mechanism is made to balance back to a state of homeostasis. When you come at HID's head on you don't close your eyes. Your eyes move slightly over from the light source and adjust. If your eyes had to close or turn completely away then I would agree that hids are dangerous and should be made illegal however they don't. They have a coping mechanism built in that doesn't cause you to lose control of your car or lose all vision. It's because of this reasoning that I can't support the idea that omfg hids are so bad for you and it leads me to believe that it's a cry baby attempt from a social group or in this case the group of people who say I run bi-xeons and i'm so proud that my ballast cost 400 dollars instead of 50.

first anything that is bright enough to make you squint or turn u eyes is going to effect how u drive and CAN cause an accident!

you are arguing something that you're completely wrong on, no matter how hard you try to prove you're right you're not HID's in reflector housings that are not made for HIDs GLARE

why not stop being cheap and save your money and do it right? you'll see better and u wont blind oncoming traffic, it especially effects older folks

I'm not even sure why i'm going this far but here's a picture of the cutoff of my hids. Works fine for me at stock ride height. I can see a clear cutoff and if you really want to get technical I can go ahead and measure this with a tape measure tonight. If my hids were as you say a problem and blinding then I suppose the light would be shining all the way to the top of the wall. It's the same no matter where I take it and unless your car is lower than those signs on the wall which unless you are the camber bunny and I know your not. Then you should have 0 reason to have a problem other than trying to show that you think your superior for having bi-xeons.

If CC's came with projector housings id say nothing and this is what im running.

Ur picture is awesome proof too bud, showing it in a lighted parking lot

Here's a pic of 6,000k HIDs in Projector housings and 3,000k in projector fog lights housings (bc im a rich and fancy boy seeing as im from Clifton Park).......ohh btw all B6 passats came with projector housing headlights


(see i can post a useless pic too)



shows what the glare were referring to is:


I know plenty of people that have pit drop in kits in reflector housings and yes they are EXTREMELY DISTRACTING they glare horrible they get flashed by people and pulled over all the time from them.


Ohh and finally is spelled Bi-Xenon

[MrRline]

And you know this how??? bc if u blinded someone and they went off the road u would turn around and take blame? the way u compose yourself i HIGHLY doubt that

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to do a google search and despite any of the best efforts in the past battles with internet elitist on the subject matter i've yet to find anybody who can go further than posting up those silly videos to find information that supports their claim that HID's are dangerous. I'm giving you the perfect opportunity to find even once incident, police report, death, crash, seizure to prove me wrong. If HID's are as dangerous as you say clearly you should be able to find something? As for the if I caused somebody to wreck would I get out and stop, no because I don't feel i've done anything to cause the accident. Headlights are bright for a reason don't stare!

I don't have Bi-xenon headlights (your wrong again P.S.)

Sorry to hear that you don't have them.

BC idiots like yourself do dumb stuff

That's your opinion I could call you an idiot for even trying to argue your point on here so that's null.

first anything that is bright enough to make you squint or turn u eyes is going to effect how u drive and CAN cause an accident!

you are arguing something that you're completely wrong on, no matter how hard you try to prove you're right you're not HID's in reflector housings that are not made for HIDs GLARE

why not stop being cheap and save your money and do it right? you'll see better and u wont blind oncoming traffic, it especially effects older folks

Again please read the first answer at the top. As far as being wrong that's a matter of opinion. People thought the world was flat at one point. That was wrong but people still debated it? I don't find anything wrong with hid's and in fact the times that I do have problems with lighting happens to be with projector housings on vehicles. Not sure how or why but it is. Mainly cadillacs for some reason not sure if it has to do with anything. Anyway secondly it's not a matter of being cheap I would of gladly payed an extra 2k at time of purchase for the option and had I had known I could of done ala cart before VW stopped I would have, but instead the only normal option was to buy a car with a sunroof that wasn't a sunroof and dual climate control because when it's 115 all I can think of is I want the heat on my side while the wife has the ac.... for a cool extra 5k-7k That's a great investment if you ask me.

Ur picture is awesome proof too bud, showing it in a lighted parking lot

It's an example and it's the same even in darker areas. Guess ill have to go waste some time taking some photographs to keep the peanut gallery on the edge of their seat.

Here's a pic of 6,000k HIDs in Projector housings and 3,000k in projector fog lights housings (bc im a rich and fancy boy seeing as im from Clifton Park).......ohh btw all B6 passats came with projector housing headlights


(see i can post a useless pic too)



shows what the glare were referring to is:
I know plenty of people that have pit drop in kits in reflector housings and yes they are EXTREMELY DISTRACTING they glare horrible they get flashed by people and pulled over all the time from them.

Again matter of opinion I think it's just poor driving habits to look straight into a set of headlights, but whatever As far as your picture i'd agree in that case, but in my case my halogen headlights are nothing like the beam pattern you have shown in your picture so it really doesn't go to prove the point.

Ohh and finally is spelled Bi-Xenon

Bravo next time i'll make sure I program swipe on my droid to recognize how to spell something during wall o text post.

[Bill6211789]

You do realize there is no way to determine 100% if it was a drop in HID kit or not.

BUT when someone tht drives regularly at night says that they saw super blue lights that blinded them....... and yes accidents have happened, YOU'RE VERYYYYY NAIVE if you dont think blinding blue and brighter lights will cause an accident

You do realize the glare YOUR headlights will produce can impair someones vision for around 10 sec at night (it takes that long for the eye to refocus) going 60 mph 10 sec that is just under a 1/4 mi. And as you age it takes even longer.

Not to mention the stupid 8K color u picked draws peoples attention more then a regular halogen bulb. so people even though there not suppose to they look toward the lights more.

And you're a complete liar if you haven't been pissed off at some Honda that had a drop in kit that has been coming at you or how bout an SUV with them. NA reflector housings SUCK and they will glare.


with a halogen light there is a allowed amount of glare (so you DO have it) with HIDs which are normally 3x brighter....... the glare will be 3x worse now.

so what makes your reflector housings so glare free? you have some special Buckeye mod done?

HELL there are people out there trying to ban OEM HIDs bc they blind people, now u wanna say ur reflectors are something special and they dont! HA


Do yourself a favor and stop now bc this information is readily available and i can go all day and night long saying ur incorrect and wrong.


OP if you want HIDs get the retrofit kit to put the projector in, that will be the BEST for you and others. Dont buy anything with a color temp over 6,000k (above that its just give u the ricer blue light which will actually fatigue ur own eyes) and visually be worse especially in the rain/snow/fog.

The best color temp to get is 4300k that is OEM and the whitest and most best for you to see.

[nolan386]

where can i get a retrofit kit?"

[njm23]

where can i get a retrofit kit?"

Coming back in to supply good info.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/

The bi-xenon morimoto mini will fit without any cutting, but with a slight performance decrease.
The FX-R will have to be custom fit/cut into the headlight, but are a better projector then the morimoto mini.

They sell full kits, everything you need. But your stock headlights will not be able to be "baked" open as they are sealed with permaseal, and you will most likely spend 5+ hours getting them open if you even can..

[Getaway Car]

Your picture here is actually a good example of why everyone hates on HID bulbs in reflector housings. Although there is a cutoff line, it is not very hard or defined which means that there is more light above that line than there should be, which is the light that is in people's faces.

Another issue the the side glare from reflector housings: whereas projectors meant for HID's will only focus their full light beam in one direction, reflectors will throw their light to the full range of the reflector housing. When an oncoming car with proper HID's passes you, you notice the light getting dimmer very quickly as their side comes into view. With HID bulbs in reflectors no matter what angle you look at the light, it is a very high intensity. This is not a coincidence, it's a safety feature built into proper projectors HID's.

[FastB7S4]

IBTL

I agree with the anti-nonOEM HID critics but just wanted to point out that there are OEM headlights out there in reflector housings and not projectors. Those reflectors are made for HIDs, though. I'm sure they have different reflector angles than halogen reflectors.

[nolan386]

Coming back in to supply good info.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/

The bi-xenon morimoto mini will fit without any cutting, but with a slight performance decrease.
The FX-R will have to be custom fit/cut into the headlight, but are a better projector then the morimoto mini.

They sell full kits, everything you need. But your stock headlights will not be able to be "baked" open as they are sealed with permaseal, and you will most likely spend 5+ hours getting them open if you even can..

Is there anywhere that just sells blank housings unsealed you think so that way I can have a set made without using my stock ones?

[nolan386]

**** it im gonna retrofit a set!

[martinelles]

Is there anywhere that just sells blank housings unsealed you think so that way I can have a set made without using my stock ones?

Believe it or not, Sears sells what is probably Depo lights for about $137.00 a piece! If they arent the factory housings, the adhesive will probably be a less vigorous type and therefore easier to disasemble. I want to try it with some parts from the retrofit source. i have already spoken with them and they sound like they have something that will "drop" right into the stock mounting structure... no cutting! but i have to wait so i can set asside some "play" money!.. i too would not like to use my stock headlights. just in case something goes wrong i can put my stock lights back in and keep on truckin!

[nolan386]

if you do it man please lemme know....I would love to see how they turn out.

[martinelles]

if you do it man please lemme know....I would love to see how they turn out.

Yeah me too. I actually found a person on a forum (Maybe the Vortex but I cant be sure and cant find it again ) where a guy did just that. He used some VW Touareg projector shrouds and they came out nice! the only exception is he decided to paint the plastic chrome pieces to match his candy white paint job. Took all the class out of the job if you ask me. I'll try and find the thread again. I did snipe some pictures though. let me figure out how to load them up here so everyone can see!

[njm23]

For anyone interested, I WILL be doing this in the next few months. Here is what you need for an easy install.

- **Aftermarket** "oem" cc headlights (use butyl sealant, bake open in 5 minutes) readily available at MANY different sources range from $109-$160 per side

- Retrofitsource "kit" which comes with EVERYTHING you need The bi-xenon morimoto offer a DIRECT replacement no cutting/aligning required-slight perfomance reduction. The bi-xenon FX-R kit, cutting/aligning required (much more involved) better performance (although only slightly, most people wouldn't notice nor care)

- Shrouds are included in the kit, but I don't know what size shroud would fit the headlight best, best bet would be to get the headlights, pull them apart, do some measurements, THEN order the shroud)


As of right now, I am not sure of any error/bulb out problems that may come out of this. I guess the first person to do it will find out, nothing a simple resistor couldn't fix, although when I contacted retrofit they didn't say any bulb out errors would occur(but they probably wouldnt tell you anyway) Not sure if cold diagnostics would be required to be turned off for the headlights after install, again first person will find out..

[nolan386]

njm i look forward to your write up on this..what do you estimate cost to be for all materials needed?

[njm23]

njm i look forward to your write up on this..what do you estimate cost to be for all materials needed?

Quick breakdown:

$305 for bi-xenon projectors/ballasts/shrouds/resealing glue/wiring

$273 new headlights shipped

Total - $578

Can re-sell old headlights if wanted, take off ~$200

New total - $378 Not bad for bi-xenon projector headlights

Assuming you do the work yourself (which is pretty easy overall and since you have the "spare" headlights you can take your sweet time so no pressure to get them back on the car to drive)

[nolan386]

fuk if you do yours good ill just pay you to do a set for me lol

[njm23]

fuk if you do yours good ill just pay you to do a set for me lol

haha, ok. We'll see how it goes when I do it.