2) I drove a FWD hatch for 5 years; been there done that. I've never owned a RWD car, let alone a lightweight sports car that was designed from the ground up to be one.
Bottom line, there are a lot of butthurt people in here that can't seem to stay out of BRZ/FR-S/GT 86 threads despite the fact that they don't like the car and don't care about the car. I wonder why?
"Of course that's just my opinion; I could be wrong."
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It just sounds silly.
I can never say I would own this one or that one in a nutshell. There are too many variables. Maybe its just me but some cars I connect with, and others I don't regardless of the drive wheels, although the # of FWD cars I have driven and liked is exactly 2.
I think people chime in regarding the BRZ because they are dissapointed it only has 200 HP. We are all spoiled with new cars having tons of power, and people want more. Some people don't see value in the intangibles that certain cars have. You can't measure a car based on lap times and 0 - 60 times. I think that is more of an acquired appreciation of cars.
Some cars are more than the sum of its parts or magazine numbers. Maybe the BRZ is, and maybe it isn't. I am sitting on the sidelines until I drive it.
Most will form conclusive opinions on either side of the fence without ever even seeing it in person yet. I guess that works with tons of cars. People hate on things with 0 first hand experience with it.
Highly strung NA 4-banger, an Auto no less vs FWD turbo.
The RS is around 10K more expensive (in AU anyway), has heaps more power, torque AND rubber - 235 on the RS vs 205 or 215 on the 86/BRZ depending on trim, no idea on make/model of tyre.
The test was a load of bollocks... the cars are not competitors. This just reeks of an attempt to be first guys out there with a comparison of some sort.
I like the fact Toyota and Subaru are releasing this car... I currently have both an MX-5 and a Megane RS250 (essentially the same car as the 265, sans reflash) so await the chance to drive the 86 with interest.
Thread title FAIL.
The Magane 265 is far from an econobox, and it is probably the best handling FWD vehicle currently in production. Think ITR like handling, but with and extra 100 hp and about 150 lb/ft of torque more. If there's an econobox in this test one could argue it is the BRZ.
I wished Infiniti or Nissan would bring this over here as their hot-hatch.
I was very surprised by the driver's assessment of the BRZ. He says you can't get the back to play, but in a timed track test why would you want that? Also we've seen various times this is not the case This review was the complete opposite of what every other review has been saying which leads me to call BS on it.
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how renault stays in business is beyond me......seriously ugly cars, designed and built by retards.
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Lol. I justed watched the video. When i got to the end, i LOL'd and said "oh, its EVO!" First of all, the passenger and driver were both pretty straight faced throughout both drives. 2nd, the track is fairly high speed, so its obvious that substantially more power is going to make a difference (about 6% difference in this case). Finally, this is the second evo review that seems to go out of its way to put down the car on fairly frivolous grounds. After the first, i pretty much wrote off evo as the magazine racers they now further appear to be. Their opinion is definitely in the minority, and i look forward to more respectable reviews. That said, its known that Subaru went for more understeer, so there may be some truth to some of the handling comments.
Bottom line, i dont drink the EVO koolaid, and dont find their critiques or their reviewers credible. I do look forward to track reviews from more respectable sources.
The Megane is not the best car to compare with the BRZ; they have a very different appeal. I would also imagine that the Toyobaru has a much more conservatively tuned suspension. The Megane is a very focused car, as was the Type-R, and probably more difficult to live with on a daily basis, FWD hatchback layout notwithstanding. Testing the BRZ with an traditional torque-converter automatic also blunts throttle response and affects the ability to adjust the car's cornering using the accelerator. If there were some special edition BRZ with a similarly unforgiving suspension and a manual transmission to test, this comparison would be somewhat closer to sensible. This test is more to prove just how well balanced and sharply tuned the Renault is.
What's amazing to me that the Megane is such a capable platform and that Nissan has done nothing good with it, as demonstrated by the current Sentra. At the very least, they could have chassis tuning handled by Renault engineers and use Renault's suppliers for basic chassis components (shocks, springs). If Nissan can rely on them for their cheaper cars' basic architecture, there's no reason they can't entrust them with fine tuning and other aspects of development, especially considering that Renault makes cars in Mexico, and the Sentra itself is already built there.
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Hopefully Subaru will change the chassis calibration soon in response to this fiasco (assuming the basic platform is sound). Subaru must understand that people don't buy dedicated RWD sports cars to handle like 4WD. The company seemed pretty responsive to customer's concerns in the past with the WRX power hike etc: so I keep my fingers crossed.