BRZ annihilated by French econobox

[Mosbius Designs]

I certainly prefer RWD dynamics to FWD dynamics.

But I'm not stupid enough to prefer a mediocre RWD car to a superlative FWD car.

Hahahaha

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Holy crap, coming from the guy that drives a mediocre FWD vehicle. That's rich.

Here's some advice - shut your trap about the car until you drive it. If you still hate it then, that's fine. Until then, you just make yourself sound like a goddamned idiot. You're on telklord levels with that comment.

You freaking dubbers. Seriously, thanks so much for perpetuating the stereotype.

[patrickvr6]

Off topic now, but id love to know how you reached the conclusion that the driveshaft design has anything to do with an artificially limited top speed.

Ford speced the V6 Mustang with a very lightweight driveshaft to get a better hwy MPG rating for the car. Because of this they had to limit the top speed to prevent the part from failing if subjected to loads it wasn't designed for. If you want to go over 114 you should buy a GT, if you want to do it in a V6 you should upgrade the driveshaft.

The person driving in the video is an idiot, something he has in common with many of the posters in this thread.

[TM87]

Gonna laugh so hard when the Gen Coupe, Focus ST, mk7 GTI, etc... all beat the BRZ around a track for the same/less money.

But but but its BRZ, the best thing since sliced bread.
This will be the faith of BRZ in every test against lame FWD cars of same range. ST,Genesis,GTI,MS3 plus Miata,S2k will walk all over it.
It beat heavy V6 and everyone was in a jerk circle. Now a French coupe w same price whooped it, and all I hear is excuses. But but but but.
Funny thing its not even cheap.

[unintended acceleration]

Well, superior driving, but for those who want something a lil more practical than a 2-seat convertible . Besides, a lot of reviews compare the BRZ's driving to the S2000... so "superior" is... subjective?

I'm just messing around, was having some fun last night... but it's just dissapointing I guess to see a car made 13 years later than the S that doesn't really do anything better and comes equipped with skinnier tires.. Throw some 255's on it at least, what does this thing come with 215's?

[MonsterM]

That Renault is one ugly car. While the numbers are impressive I would still take the BRZ. What is so great about the Renault? Wouldn't a SRT-4, Cobalt SS or any other 4 cyl turbo FWD car offer same driving dynamics? What about Focus RS? Same thing.

[2.0T_Convert]

So pathetic that people can't even talk about the BRZ without jealous fools coming and and passing judgement.

[Mazda 3s]

Are people claiming which one they would rather take actually drive either one?

Or is this just the talk out of your ass forum?

1) I live in the U.S. Last time I checked, we can't even buy a Renault so it's not even really worth discussing to me IMHO.
2) I drove a FWD hatch for 5 years; been there done that. I've never owned a RWD car, let alone a lightweight sports car that was designed from the ground up to be one.

Bottom line, there are a lot of butthurt people in here that can't seem to stay out of BRZ/FR-S/GT 86 threads despite the fact that they don't like the car and don't care about the car. I wonder why?

[danny_16v]

I'm not sure how this comparison was even thought up.

The Renault,
- has tons more power 265 vs BRZ 200
- has track oriented suspension vs BRZ's road suspension
- has a bigger foot print with 235 tires vs BRZ's 215's

The BRZ as tested is not a track oriented kit... it's a car made to be driven on the road and can easily be taken on the track as well. But it's not a track special version like the Renault.

[x1000rpms]

So where are all the people that said the BRZ was the fastest most awesome car for the price?

From the video it really looked like the BRZ was struggling to find traction in the turns. Didn't look or sound planted at all. I'm guessing that .89 lateral number for the BRZ is going to be it's downfall... And that the suspension and weight distribution is no where near as good as many people have been gushing about - without having driven the car yet.

But it will also be the part that rice boy idiots will love because it will be so "easy to have fun in at the legal limit" If you want a car that is a handful at the legal limit save yourself 20 grand and go get a tercel with worn out econo tires.

[2.0T_Convert]

I love how this is only the second negative review of the car and from the same people who did the first negative review.

[Mazda 3s]

I love how this is only the second negative review of the car and from the same people who did the first negative review.

The haters have to justify their hate

[Fritz27]

So where are all the people that said the BRZ was the fastest most awesome car for the price?

If you can find ONE non-troll post that says this, I'll paypal you $1.

[x1000rpms]

Wow, so a single Mustang V6 had a failure at excessive speeds, it must mean they all suck.

I'm sorry, but it still doesn't explain how 300HP is secretary spec. Just because the comparison vid mentions that Shelby called the original Mustang a secretary's car, it doesn't mean it holds true today.

Back then a v6 stang had between half and 3/4 the horsepower that the etop end stangs did.. and a lot of secretaries drove them.

These days 300 is less than half the 665 that the top end stang makes and it is driven by a lot of administrative assistants.

The only thing that has changed is the name of the job.

[x1000rpms]

If you can find ONE non-troll post that says this, I'll paypal you $1.

This car and the BRZ twin are the modern interpretation of the 944. For the price, there is no comparison for what you get in terms of sports car bargains right now.

Dude, that's ridiculous. $23k (in 2012 dollars) buys you more than the inflation-adjusted equivalent of that amount has EVER bought you in the past. It's a big number, but it's equivalent to $15k just ten years ago. There has NEVER been more affordable, realistic performance cars in the entry-level price bracket than there is today, and never before have they performed this well or been this well equipped. (talking about FR-S)

That'll be 2 dollars.. and I'm sure I could find dozens more.

[Mazda 3s]

That'll be 2 dollars.. and I'm sure I could find dozens more.

And which one of those posts said it was the fastest car?

[x1000rpms]

And which one of those posts said it was the fastest car?

"performed this well"

[2.0T_Convert]

That'll be 2 dollars.. and I'm sure I could find dozens more.

Fail.

One of those posts talks about all of the affordable sports cars available for cheap today so it isn't a BRZ post.

Other post is a response to how the BRZ/FR-S are not any more expensive than the most affordable sports cars from the past.

[Mosbius Designs]

That'll be 2 dollars.. and I'm sure I could find dozens more.

I never said it was fast, you trolling retard.

Oh, and i actually drove the thing yesterday. It's fun. But, some of you guys that only judge a car without actually setting foot near it will never know.

[Fritz27]

That'll be 2 dollars.. and I'm sure I could find dozens more.

One post calls the car a bargain and the other says that there are lots of enthusiast cars available for $25k.

Your trollage is weak.

[x1000rpms]

Both posts in the context of the original thread mean that I am owed at least 2 dollars.

[cougar]

I'm just messing around, was having some fun last night... but it's just dissapointing I guess to see a car made 13 years later than the S that doesn't really do anything better and comes equipped with skinnier tires..

Well, 13 years later its starting price is $5k lower than the S2000's, it seats four, gets significantly better gas mileage, and has more cargo room. It's not quite as fast as the S2000, but then the S2000 has 20% more power and, as you said, has wider tires. For the price, I think it's a really nice package.

[Mosbius Designs]

Both posts in the context of the original thread mean that I am owed at least 2 dollars.

You have no idea how to interpret context.

[Mazda 3s]

Fail.

One of those posts talks about all of the affordable sports cars available for cheap today so it isn't a BRZ post.

Other post is a response to how the BRZ/FR-S are not any more expensive than the most affordable sports cars from the past.

Yup, double face palm on that guy.

[cougar]

Both posts in the context of the original thread mean that I am owed at least 2 dollars.

If you think how a car "performs" is strictly about speed, then I feel sorry for every woman you've been with.

[x1000rpms]

I never said it was fast, you trolling retard.

From the Jalopnik review that you were defending in the thread...

"I recently drove the Fiat 500 Abarth around the same track, and while I had a great time in that car as well, there's absolutely no comparison between a tall, FWD economy car made quick and a car that was designed for agility and speed from the start."


Designed for speed and agility from the start.


My face when "can't keep up with french front wheel drive costing the same"

[cougar]

My face when "can't keep up with french front wheel drive"

There are plenty of FWD cars designed specifically for track use that eat RWD sports cars for lunch on a track... your face needs some adjusting, certainly.

[Fritz27]

From the Jalopnik review that you were defending in the thread...

"I recently drove the Fiat 500 Abarth around the same track, and while I had a great time in that car as well, there's absolutely no comparison between a tall, FWD economy car made quick and a car that was designed for agility and speed from the start."


Designed for speed and agility from the start.


My face when "can't keep up with french front wheel drive"

An Abarth is based on a stylish Italian economy car. The BRZ was designed to be sporty from the get-go.

Just because an Odyssey is faster than a Ferrari 308 doesn't mean the Odyssey is a better car, you buffoon.

[Mosbius Designs]

I wasn't defending any review. I said it was going to be a bargain for what you get. And guess what, it is.

[x1000rpms]

If you think how a car "performs" is strictly about speed, then I feel sorry for every woman you've been with.

Quoting for historic reference should you decide to delete this post. Do yourself a favor and change your username now - I won't soon let you forget how stupid you are.

Performance in a sports car is how quick it is - end of story. The ONLY reason "preformance" becomes about anything else is when someone likes a car and can't justify his fan boyism once the "performance numbers" come out.

[Mosbius Designs]

Quoting for historic reference should you decide to delete this post. Do yourself a favor and change your username now - I won't soon let you forget how stupid you are.

Performance in a sports car is how quick it is - end of story. The ONLY reason "preformance" becomes about anything else is when someone likes a car and can't justify his fan boyism once the "performance numbers" come out.

And I'm quoting this for the record to show how incredibly stupid you are.

[2.0T_Convert]

Performance in a sports car is how quick it is - end of story. The ONLY reason "preformance" becomes about anything else is when someone likes a car and can't justify his fan boyism once the "performance numbers" come out.

I'm glad not everyone is a narrow minded as you.

[Fritz27]

Quoting for historic reference should you decide to delete this post. Do yourself a favor and change your username now - I won't soon let you forget how stupid you are.

Performance in a sports car is how quick it is - end of story. The ONLY reason "preformance" becomes about anything else is when someone likes a car and can't justify his fan boyism once the "performance numbers" come out.

I really, really, really hope you don't like Audis or VWs.

[x_GTI_x]

BRZ is overrated as hell, im sick of hearing about it to be honest.


and you guys think mk4 fanbois are bad

[unintended acceleration]

1) I live in the U.S. Last time I checked, we can't even buy a Renault so it's not even really worth discussing to me IMHO.
2) I drove a FWD hatch for 5 years; been there done that. I've never owned a RWD car, let alone a lightweight sports car that was designed from the ground up to be one.

Bottom line, there are a lot of butthurt people in here that can't seem to stay out of BRZ/FR-S/GT 86 threads despite the fact that they don't like the car and don't care about the car. I wonder why?

It certainly is worth discussing, and maybe its just me but I don't make any claims about cars I would rather have without driving them. There is a difference between discussing them based on surface level observation, and defiantly claiming which one you would rather have without ever even sitting in either one.

It just sounds silly.

I can never say I would own this one or that one in a nutshell. There are too many variables. Maybe its just me but some cars I connect with, and others I don't regardless of the drive wheels, although the # of FWD cars I have driven and liked is exactly 2.

I think people chime in regarding the BRZ because they are dissapointed it only has 200 HP. We are all spoiled with new cars having tons of power, and people want more. Some people don't see value in the intangibles that certain cars have. You can't measure a car based on lap times and 0 - 60 times. I think that is more of an acquired appreciation of cars.

Some cars are more than the sum of its parts or magazine numbers. Maybe the BRZ is, and maybe it isn't. I am sitting on the sidelines until I drive it.

Most will form conclusive opinions on either side of the fence without ever even seeing it in person yet. I guess that works with tons of cars. People hate on things with 0 first hand experience with it.

[Mosbius Designs]

BRZ is overrated as hell, im sick of hearing about it to be honest.


and you guys think mk4 fanbois are bad

Drive the damn thing.