Just filled up with plain old gasoline.

[emmettlodge]

And wow what a difference! The extra power is very perceptible. No idea on how fuel economy is affected, if at all.

No detergent, additives, or ethanol. Just plain distilled petroleum product. All gas should be like this.

[seadoo2006]

And wow what a difference! The extra power is very perceptible. No idea on how fuel economy is affected, if at all.

No detergent, additives, or ethanol. Just plain distilled petroleum product. All gas should be like this.

LOL wat? Did you tap the refinery in Toledo or something? How the hell did you find plain, old, non-additive gasoline? It's hard enough finding non-ethanol gas ...

[emmettlodge]

LOL wat? Did you tap the refinery in Toledo or something? How the hell did you find plain, old, non-additive gasoline? It's hard enough finding non-ethanol gas ...

It turns out the fuel shipped to our company in 55 gallon drums for our heavy equipment is exactly that. I heard it was "plain" and contacted our supplier to find out and they confirmed it. So i reimbursed our company for 20 gallons to try. Filled up from empty. Immediately noticable difference.

[seadoo2006]

It turns out the fuel shipped to our company in 55 gallon drums for our heavy equipment is exactly that. I heard it was "plain" and contacted our supplier to find out and they confirmed it. So i reimbursed our company for 20 gallons to try. Filled up from empty. Immediately noticable difference.

Well, that's very cool ... I wish there was some objective data to back this up since I don't know anyone that can even try what you did.

[emmettlodge]

It smells different too. Kinda "sweet". Its weird.

[ValveCoverGasket]

just to double check your findings, you should ask TCL to borrow some of the finely calibrated knock sensing ears on this forum... people on here can apparently hear their late model OBD2 vehicles knocking from inside the car, before the electronics even know whats going on!
its truly impressive

[Sagaris]

What kind of chainsaw has a 20 gallon tank?

[emmettlodge]

What kind of chainsaw has a 20 gallon tank?

Manly ones.

[Cousin Eddie]

You think it's good in your truck you should try it in your chainsaw!

Get some 110 octane race gas for that Stihl!

[compy222]

just to double check your findings, you should ask TCL to borrow some of the finely calibrated knock sensing ears on this forum... people on here can apparently hear their late model OBD2 vehicles knocking from inside the car, before the electronics even know whats going on!
its truly impressive

or you could just borrow a scangauge...

[Dr. Woo]

I can't even get plain, non-E10 gas in my state, let alone additive- and detergent-free. That would be neat.

[adrew]

just to double check your findings, you should ask TCL to borrow some of the finely calibrated knock sensing ears on this forum... people on here can apparently hear their late model OBD2 vehicles knocking from inside the car, before the electronics even know whats going on!
its truly impressive

Our '07 Sonata knocked on 87 octane at WOT when it was over 100°F (merging, passing, etc.). It didn't do it on premium or if I ran a bottle of Techron through it. It was loud enough that my better half noticed it, turned to me and said "What was that?" with a worried look on her face.

It smells different too. Kinda "sweet". Its weird.

If you think about it, the ethanol gas smells like gas with vodka mixed in. Ethanol-free gas just smells like how I remember it smelling when I was a child.

[ValveCoverGasket]

or you could just borrow a scangauge...

reading the other gas thread has me thinking that's not needed:

Most nay-sayers say there's not a single difference between one station and the next, but from personal experience, my car doesn't run as well (very slightly noticeable pinging at idle) on gas from the station north of my apartment (don't know what brand) than it does on the station south of my apartment (Marathon).

but i daily drive a diesel, so wtf do i know about gas quality...

[Broduski]

It turns out the fuel shipped to our company in 55 gallon drums for our heavy equipment is exactly that. I heard it was "plain" and contacted our supplier to find out and they confirmed it. So i reimbursed our company for 20 gallons to try. Filled up from empty. Immediately noticable difference.

Is that legal? Isn't off highway fuel not legal for road use? Don't take it the wrong way, Because I'd sure as hell do it too. I'm just wondering.

[compy222]

but i daily drive a diesel, so wtf do i know about gas quality...

truth in this. you are basically running the excrement of gas production at refineries.

[emmettlodge]

Is that legal? Isn't off highway fuel not legal for road use? Don't take it the wrong way, Because I'd sure as hell do it too. I'm just wondering.

Good question, and i have no idea. I should probably delete this thread

[ValveCoverGasket]

Good question, and i have no idea.

as an fyi for next time... its not.

[Grey Mouser]

LOL wat? Did you tap the refinery in Toledo or something? How the hell did you find plain, old, non-additive gasoline? It's hard enough finding non-ethanol gas ...

www.pure-gas.org

[Grey Mouser]

And wow what a difference! The extra power is very perceptible. No idea on how fuel economy is affected, if at all.

No detergent, additives, or ethanol. Just plain distilled petroleum product. All gas should be like this.

Nothing wrong with additives, plenty wrong with ethanol.

[seadoo2006]

www.pure-gas.org

Yep, and like I said, there are only two stations in a 50 mile radius of me that sell it, the Chardon Oil in Painesville and the Chardon Oil in Chardon ... both of which are my go to places for race gas as well. Just keep in mind they keep regular business hours, so don't try filling up after 6pm, they won't be there. LOL

EDIT: Also notice how out of the 23 "Pure Gas" stations in Ohio, nearly every one is a Marina dock station that fills boats up (older boats aren't supposed to run E10). Finding pure gas in Ohio is EXTREMELY difficult.

[dwagner88]

I'd imagine running long term with no detergent wouldn't be very good for your fueling system. No ethanol is cool though. There are still several stations here with no ethanol. Many claim to not have any in plus and premium grades only though.

[seadoo2006]

I'd imagine running long term with no detergent wouldn't be very good for your fueling system. No ethanol is cool though. There are still several stations here with no ethanol. Many claim to not have any in plus and premium grades only though.

Hah, I'd just settle on you guys down there keeping the 87-93 spread at 20c instead of 40c ... what the fark is up with every station in the mountains doing the 20c/grade jump instead of 10c?

Usually, if it's $3.799 for 87, it would be $3.899 for 91 and $3.999 for 93 ... instead, this whole weekend it was $3.799 for 87, $3.999 for 91, and $4.199 for 93 ... fark you, Tennessee!

[cryption]

www.pure-gas.org

How is this possible? I thought suppliers added ethanol as part of the refining process before it hits the truck?

Add the fact that most stations get their fuel from the same depot, regardless of brand, and it makes me skeptical that some Rudy's BBQ Gas station (one I found sorta local to me) could have different gas then the station next door.

[BRealistic]

I'd imagine running long term with no detergent wouldn't be very good for your fueling system.

What would the detergents be cleaning other than buildup from crap in the gas? Hmm..

But you could always put some MMO in a tank every once in a while.
It probably does just as good- if not better.

[ValveCoverGasket]

Add the fact that most stations get their fuel from the same depot, regardless of brand, and it makes me skeptical that some Rudy's BBQ Gas station (one I found sorta local to me) could have different gas then the station next door.

forget the gas, go get the brisket.

good god now i want rudy's for lunch....
dammit.

[Sagaris]

I'm definitely jealous that you found some pure gasoline. I would love to be able to just try non ethanol contaminated fuel in my car to see what difference it makes.

[Woodski]

Is that legal? Isn't off highway fuel not legal for road use? Don't take it the wrong way, Because I'd sure as hell do it too. I'm just wondering.

How are they gonna check it.

[Albeezy36]

I'm definitely jealous that you found some pure gasoline. I would love to be able to just try non ethanol contaminated fuel in my car to see what difference it makes.

Try the pure gas link posted. I found two just down the street from my house.

Will try next fill-up in 2 weeks

[adrew]

I'm definitely jealous that you found some pure gasoline. I would love to be able to just try non ethanol contaminated fuel in my car to see what difference it makes.

I put a tank of 89-octane "marine gas" through our Yaris and picked up a couple MPG on the highway. It usually gets ~38 and I got 40.1 for that tank. Didn't notice any additional power.

[caj1]

just to double check your findings, you should ask TCL to borrow some of the finely calibrated knock sensing ears on this forum... people on here can apparently hear their late model OBD2 vehicles knocking from inside the car, before the electronics even know whats going on!
its truly impressive

[Jman5000]

How is this possible? I thought suppliers added ethanol as part of the refining process before it hits the truck?

I don't know the specific correlation, but I just checked Ohio and it seemed to be about 90% marinas.

There's one very close to me but man I bet that's a hefty price-per-gallon.

[TheDarkEnergist]

I don't believe a word in this thread.

[Lwize]

Silly question - aren't the additives and detergents there for a reason?

And does running "plain" gas affect your warranty?

[AnAgentOrange]

Typical California. None anywhere near Los Angeles County

[Tim@VMG]

Is that legal? Isn't off highway fuel not legal for road use? Don't take it the wrong way, Because I'd sure as hell do it too. I'm just wondering.

Yes, it's illegal. Off road fuel is taxed differently. (Or at least I believe it is - I know this is the case for diesel.)

I don't know the specific correlation, but I just checked Ohio and it seemed to be about 90% marinas.

There's one very close to me but man I bet that's a hefty price-per-gallon.

Yes, buying gas at a marina is generally much more expensive than just buying it at a regular filling station. Much more.

-Tim