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    Thread: CBFA Highflow Cat/Testpipe CEL Fix Thread

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      05-25-2012 12:16 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Poprocks01 View Post
      No spacer on the rear sensor?? I am intrigued, to say the least.

      If you look around in that thread, Ultimate Racing makes their rear o2 port with a spacer built in, and a small hole drilled through. So in effect it has a spacer, just nothing additional on the rear.


      Keep in mind that he also has a 400 cell ceramic cat which may give a cleaner reading than a 200cell metal that most of us run.
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      05-25-2012 12:22 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby View Post
      If you look around in that thread, Ultimate Racing makes their rear o2 port with a spacer built in, and a small hole drilled through. So in effect it has a spacer, just nothing additional on the rear.


      Keep in mind that he also has a 400 cell ceramic cat which may give a cleaner reading than a 200cell metal that most of us run.
      Aha. Thanks. Well, I also have Stratmosphere spacers hanging around. So I'll put one on the last sensor.

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      05-25-2012 06:14 PM #53
      Got my all my codes sorted out today. P0137 fixed via a new o2 sensor (under warranty), p2096 fixed by tightening down 2 turbo nuts that were loose, no p420 in sight

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      05-29-2012 11:57 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by kaban View Post
      Got my all my codes sorted out today. P0137 fixed via a new o2 sensor (under warranty), p2096 fixed by tightening down 2 turbo nuts that were loose, no p420 in sight
      very good to hear!
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      06-01-2012 03:26 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby View Post
      If you look around in that thread, Ultimate Racing makes their rear o2 port with a spacer built in, and a small hole drilled through. So in effect it has a spacer, just nothing additional on the rear.


      Keep in mind that he also has a 400 cell ceramic cat which may give a cleaner reading than a 200cell metal that most of us run.
      I'm using a Unitronic/Eurojet downpipe with a 200cel cat. I tried replicating his set up using a 42DD spacer on the 2nd o2, threaded half way out. 40 miles and no luck yet. I'll know for sure tomorrow if this set up works or not, if not then i'll just get a non-fouler on the 2nd, 42dd on the 3rd.

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      06-01-2012 10:03 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by BODH1 View Post
      I'm using a Unitronic/Eurojet downpipe with a 200cel cat. I tried replicating his set up using a 42DD spacer on the 2nd o2, threaded half way out. 40 miles and no luck yet. I'll know for sure tomorrow if this set up works or not, if not then i'll just get a non-fouler on the 2nd, 42dd on the 3rd.
      I posted on golfmk6 about this.


      Try replicating kaban's setup since you both have the same DP.

      BFI spacer on 2nd o2, RAI J-spacer with smallest insert on rear o2. And make sure you dont have an exhaust leak.
      Quote Originally Posted by Senor Pelligro
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      06-01-2012 01:23 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby View Post
      I posted on golfmk6 about this.


      Try replicating kaban's setup since you both have the same DP.

      BFI spacer on 2nd o2, RAI J-spacer with smallest insert on rear o2. And make sure you dont have an exhaust leak.
      I also replied on the golfmkvi forum. The CEL is off at around 45 miles. I'll post back if it comes back on.

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      06-06-2012 11:13 AM #58
      Just want to say thanks to Kaban and Ricky Bobby and others in here for such great info! Finally a thread that doesn't get offtrack with smilies and 'I slept with your mom' posts, probably cause its not in the general forums! awesome!


      Ok guys Ive been doing my homework for months before i go stage 2, and now that i found this thread I really feel more confident about going stage 2!

      I am in NY with a CBFA(OBD2 emission tests here every year!)

      Im going GIAC stage 2 and want to take advantage of their sale(which i think should be coming around Waterfest this July). I wont be getting my downpipe for about 6 weeks after the tune. Has anyone just run the stage 2 tune(moderately) with stock DP for a few weeks safely? I spose i could always leave it stock mode while waiting for DP too.

      Now im torn between UR or EJ DPs. Both offered me great forum pricing(very close to eachother in cost) However the EJ will give me both test pipe AND 200CELL CAT pipe. So this makes me want to lean EJ, then i can simply use KABANs setup for spacers.

      anyway, I will post more here when i get things going, this thread has more amazing info in 2 pages then any thread on Vortex! Great work on the AWE spacer sizes, its odd how the rear spacers on AWEs seem shorter, but i do believe their CAT is 400cell, so this might be the reason.

      Im assuming with a hi flow 200cell CAT we need MORE spacing AFTER CAT, and LESS spacing BEFORE CAT.

      Great work here people!
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      06-06-2012 02:28 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Just want to say thanks to Kaban and Ricky Bobby and others in here for such great info! Finally a thread that doesn't get offtrack with smilies and 'I slept with your mom' posts, probably cause its not in the general forums! awesome!


      Ok guys Ive been doing my homework for months before i go stage 2, and now that i found this thread I really feel more confident about going stage 2!

      I am in NY with a CBFA(OBD2 emission tests here every year!)

      Im going GIAC stage 2 and want to take advantage of their sale(which i think should be coming around Waterfest this July). I wont be getting my downpipe for about 6 weeks after the tune. Has anyone just run the stage 2 tune(moderately) with stock DP for a few weeks safely? I spose i could always leave it stock mode while waiting for DP too.

      Now im torn between UR or EJ DPs. Both offered me great forum pricing(very close to eachother in cost) However the EJ will give me both test pipe AND 200CELL CAT pipe. So this makes me want to lean EJ, then i can simply use KABANs setup for spacers.

      anyway, I will post more here when i get things going, this thread has more amazing info in 2 pages then any thread on Vortex! Great work on the AWE spacer sizes, its odd how the rear spacers on AWEs seem shorter, but i do believe their CAT is 400cell, so this might be the reason.

      Im assuming with a hi flow 200cell CAT we need MORE spacing AFTER CAT, and LESS spacing BEFORE CAT.

      Great work here people!
      Just to let u know im am at giac stage 2 with a EJ tbe with there high flow cat.. I have a cbfa car aswell. To answer ur first question u cant go stage 2 without a downpipe.. Second i have a pretty good setup with my spacers and even though i have no check engine light it still throws a 0420 code. Hopefully when it comes to the time i can pass my inspection here in mass..

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      06-06-2012 02:59 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Johnotis10 View Post
      Just to let u know im am at giac stage 2 with a EJ tbe with there high flow cat.. I have a cbfa car aswell. To answer ur first question u cant go stage 2 without a downpipe.. Second i have a pretty good setup with my spacers and even though i have no check engine light it still throws a 0420 code. Hopefully when it comes to the time i can pass my inspection here in mass..
      I have spoke to a few people at AWE and all say no problem stage 2 with stock DP, its just not going to have the power it would with 3" dp obviously. They dont recommend hammering it as it does produce more boost and could produce too much heat for such a restricted DP/Cat(stock) Also i can always simply put it into stock mode if for some reason a got a CEL before i get my DP. I just want to take advantage of the sale when it arrives and not have to send ECU back and pay an upgrade fee later for stage 2.

      as for your code P0420, I assumed that this code automatically throws the CEL. Odd that yours does not. Most likely in OBD2 states it will not pass even without a CEL.

      what exactly is your spacer setup? Im leaning toward buying TWO RAI J spacers since they come with the 'JETS', and fine tuning with the Jets from there.

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      06-06-2012 04:31 PM #61
      I have a non fouler in the mid censor and a 42dd spacer in the rear... I heard even with the spacers u still throw a code but not always a cel which is kind of weird.. It might randomly come on and off..

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      06-06-2012 06:43 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Johnotis10 View Post
      I have a non fouler in the mid censor and a 42dd spacer in the rear... I heard even with the spacers u still throw a code but not always a cel which is kind of weird.. It might randomly come on and off..
      the problem with the CBFA is its very finicky! If i were you I would buy a RAI J spacer, install it after the cat, then take your 42dd and install it before the cat... I bet that would be perfect.

      the reason I will go with RAI spacer is the fact they come with JETS, to fine tune. Other spacers and non foulers have to be drilled out, but then your stuck with that size.

      RAI also has a straight spacer with 2 Jets, but the more i talk to people the more i hear they are using the J style. Seems RAI has a very hard time keeping them instock!

      According to this thread and others, guys who DO not have a CEL DO not have a code either. Im thinking maybe you got a code and WILL eventually get the CEL sooner or later, or at least Intermittently.

      right now im just waiting for the GIAC Sale!! After I saw some of the great stage 2 dyno pulls from GIAC it made me a believer. The more dynos i see from all the tuners, it seems APR is usually low, but as they say smooth and safe.

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      06-06-2012 10:37 PM #63
      Thanks for the info... Maybe I'll try that setup.. Actually i just installed a p3 cars boost gauge that tells me what codes I have and then clears it for me.. As long as i can pass inspection then im good for now... The car runs great perfect even with the code.. I have till september anyway..

      Just some info for u aswell.. Giac stage 2 is awesome.. I heard mixed reviews about apr.. I heard its a bit conservative. As for my car, its pretty damn fast. The gauge i bought allows me to keep track of my 0-60 times and so far my best is 5.2 sec with stock dunlops.. Im sure if i get some stickie tires i will be sub 5 easily..

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      06-06-2012 11:14 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Johnotis10 View Post
      Thanks for the info... Maybe I'll try that setup.. Actually i just installed a p3 cars boost gauge that tells me what codes I have and then clears it for me.. As long as i can pass inspection then im good for now... The car runs great perfect even with the code.. I have till september anyway..

      Just some info for u aswell.. Giac stage 2 is awesome.. I heard mixed reviews about apr.. I heard its a bit conservative. As for my car, its pretty damn fast. The gauge i bought allows me to keep track of my 0-60 times and so far my best is 5.2 sec with stock dunlops.. Im sure if i get some stickie tires i will be sub 5 easily..
      Man that is awesome, cant wait to get mine stage 2 GIAC soon! I have considered APR, REVO and UNI but i think i will be happiest with GIAC after much research. really great to hear yours works well. That is an awesome 0-60 time!

      I lowered mine last month and got Conti DW tires so i should have some decent grip! Only thing I worry about is how long will my clutch last after stage 2! LOL

      Ill be sure to post up here when i get my DP and spacers setup, but that wont be for a few more months.

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      06-07-2012 12:21 AM #65
      As tuners i know that sometimes we have tendencies to spend money too fast with our cars.. Lol! Im sure soon enough you will be there..

      As far as your clutch.... I have a dsg so i dont have experience first hand with that but from what i hear u should be good for a while.. It all depends on ur driving style..

      Good stuff though! Just be sure to have a professional install ur software.. Things could go bad quick if not done properly.

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      06-07-2012 10:20 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Johnotis10 View Post
      As tuners i know that sometimes we have tendencies to spend money too fast with our cars.. Lol! Im sure soon enough you will be there..

      As far as your clutch.... I have a dsg so i dont have experience first hand with that but from what i hear u should be good for a while.. It all depends on ur driving style..

      Good stuff though! Just be sure to have a professional install ur software.. Things could go bad quick if not done properly.
      Yeah i hear that....if you look at my build thread i spent way too much the first 2 weeks i owned car! LOL... But now its time for more power.

      I spent alot of time looking around, and Emailing. Its funny not one TUNER replied to my emails, not APR, not REVO, and Unitronic finally did after a few weeks. My local GIAC dealer wanted $150 labor install geesh!

      I emailed AWE and they replied to me within an hour! I decided it would be best to ship my ECU to AWE. They do not charge any labor to flash, no tax either. So ill remove ECU myself and ship to AWE which is alot less then $150 plus tax paying locally to a guy who has not done any MK6s yet. AWE has done lots and they are very reputable! I got my springs from AWE last month and had really great communication with them, and always read about how many guys online have had AWE do their cars, wish i lived closer to them.

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      06-07-2012 02:54 PM #67
      If you are going with the RAI J-spacers, I would use middle jet on the front sensor, and smallest jet on the rear sensor. You may also need a nonfouler on the front sensor, in essence it is farther away but the "flow hole" is larger so it can't be the same distance away as the rear sensor. It's very touchy



      Or just go with the tried and true results in this thread: kaban has BFI spacer on front, RAI J spacer on rear with smallest insert on a Eurojet 200 cell metal cat downpipe.

      plac has the UR with rear bung already modded by UR, and 42DD spacer on front threaded halfway out and facing rear of car.
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      06-07-2012 03:41 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby View Post
      If you are going with the RAI J-spacers, I would use middle jet on the front sensor, and smallest jet on the rear sensor. You may also need a nonfouler on the front sensor, in essence it is farther away but the "flow hole" is larger so it can't be the same distance away as the rear sensor. It's very touchy



      Or just go with the tried and true results in this thread: kaban has BFI spacer on front, RAI J spacer on rear with smallest insert on a Eurojet 200 cell metal cat downpipe.

      plac has the UR with rear bung already modded by UR, and 42DD spacer on front threaded halfway out and facing rear of car.
      Great info buddy!! I think I will try the J spacers first from RAI. It will be interesting to see how finiky things are. I have talked to many who have slightly different setup and are all working, so even though things in general should be similar, i think there is some leeway in how finiky this CBFA is!

      Ill be sure to post up my setup when time comes! gonna be a few mts til i get all done!

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      06-08-2012 12:22 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Johnotis10 View Post
      I have a non fouler in the mid censor and a 42dd spacer in the rear... I heard even with the spacers u still throw a code but not always a cel which is kind of weird.. It might randomly come on and off..
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      the problem with the CBFA is its very finicky! If i were you I would buy a RAI J spacer, install it after the cat, then take your 42dd and install it before the cat... I bet that would be perfect.

      the reason I will go with RAI spacer is the fact they come with JETS, to fine tune. Other spacers and non foulers have to be drilled out, but then your stuck with that size.

      RAI also has a straight spacer with 2 Jets, but the more i talk to people the more i hear they are using the J style. Seems RAI has a very hard time keeping them instock!

      According to this thread and others, guys who DO not have a CEL DO not have a code either. Im thinking maybe you got a code and WILL eventually get the CEL sooner or later, or at least Intermittently.

      right now im just waiting for the GIAC Sale!! After I saw some of the great stage 2 dyno pulls from GIAC it made me a believer. The more dynos i see from all the tuners, it seems APR is usually low, but as they say smooth and safe.

      Quote Originally Posted by Johnotis10 View Post
      Thanks for the info... Maybe I'll try that setup.. Actually i just installed a p3 cars boost gauge that tells me what codes I have and then clears it for me.. As long as i can pass inspection then im good for now... The car runs great perfect even with the code.. I have till september anyway..

      Just some info for u aswell.. Giac stage 2 is awesome.. I heard mixed reviews about apr.. I heard its a bit conservative. As for my car, its pretty damn fast. The gauge i bought allows me to keep track of my 0-60 times and so far my best is 5.2 sec with stock dunlops.. Im sure if i get some stickie tires i will be sub 5 easily..
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Man that is awesome, cant wait to get mine stage 2 GIAC soon! I have considered APR, REVO and UNI but i think i will be happiest with GIAC after much research. really great to hear yours works well. That is an awesome 0-60 time!

      I lowered mine last month and got Conti DW tires so i should have some decent grip! Only thing I worry about is how long will my clutch last after stage 2! LOL

      Ill be sure to post up here when i get my DP and spacers setup, but that wont be for a few more months.

      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Great info buddy!! I think I will try the J spacers first from RAI. It will be interesting to see how finiky things are. I have talked to many who have slightly different setup and are all working, so even though things in general should be similar, i think there is some leeway in how finiky this CBFA is!

      Ill be sure to post up my setup when time comes! gonna be a few mts til i get all done!

      Dan
      Just remember guys, I have the CBFA, 3" Eurojet/Unitronic catted 200cel downpipe. I have only ONE 42DD spacer, pre-cat, which is threaded half way in. I'm at 700 miles and NO CEL YET! GIAC STAGE 2, BSH True Seal Intake
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      06-08-2012 12:43 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by BODH1 View Post
      Just remember guys, I have the CBFA, 3" Eurojet/Unitronic catted 200cel downpipe. I have only ONE 42DD spacer, pre-cat, which is threaded half way in. I'm at 700 miles and NO CEL YET!
      Very interesting.....what stage 2 tune do you have, and do you have a intake?

      This just proves that each car is different, and im beginning to think there are many ways to skin a cat!

      It just seems odd to not need a spacer POST CAT, which is where you would think it would need it most to read cleaner at the back.

      Great to get as much info in here as we can for sure!

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      06-08-2012 02:39 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Very interesting.....what stage 2 tune do you have, and do you have a intake?

      This just proves that each car is different, and im beginning to think there are many ways to skin a cat!

      It just seems odd to not need a spacer POST CAT, which is where you would think it would need it most to read cleaner at the back.

      Great to get as much info in here as we can for sure!

      thanks
      Post updated: Giac Stage 2 with a BSH true seal intake.

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      06-08-2012 03:07 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by BODH1 View Post
      Post updated: Giac Stage 2 with a BSH true seal intake.
      awesome!


      just wondering how you like this setup? Im leaning GIAC and EJ DP for myself and intake.

      Did you go stage 1 first then stage 2? If so, did GIAC charge for the upgrade? How much?


      Im thinking i might go stage 1 first since i have so many other things to spend money on right now,LOL....then going DP and stage 2 later in the fall maybe. Just would hate to have to pay alot for the upgrade. I know APR does not but there is usually a labor charge, but it should only be obd2 flash so pretty easy.

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      06-08-2012 05:51 PM #73
      I am currently running the APR Stage2 Testpipe file with their full exhaust (200 cell catted DP). Next Friday (15 June) I am heading over to BFI to get re-flashed and install a post-CAT o2 spacer, but I am concerned about this:

      Quote Originally Posted by 84cabbydroptop View Post
      i could use some help too, im getting pissed with the damn apr downpipe. i installed the 42dd spacer and still popping codes. it requires another spacer elsewhere to trick it?
      Quote Originally Posted by NoRegrets78 View Post
      Need two spacers. One pre cat one post cat.


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      Why is it necessary to have a spacer pre-CAT? Also, I spoke to APR, and they told me to flash back to stage 1 to pass emissions. Is it possible to just reflash to APR stage2 NON-Testpipe, install spacers, and not throw the code? CCTA engine btw. (NC still requires emissions testing yearly)

      EDIT: Just got off the phone with APR again, representative I spoke with earlier today misspoke about flashing back to stage1. APR said flash to Stage 2 NON-TestPipe, and work with spacer(s) until no longer throwing codes.
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      06-08-2012 05:59 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      awesome!


      just wondering how you like this setup? Im leaning GIAC and EJ DP for myself and intake.

      Did you go stage 1 first then stage 2? If so, did GIAC charge for the upgrade? How much?


      Im thinking i might go stage 1 first since i have so many other things to spend money on right now,LOL....then going DP and stage 2 later in the fall maybe. Just would hate to have to pay alot for the upgrade. I know APR does not but there is usually a labor charge, but it should only be obd2 flash so pretty easy.

      I like this set up a lot, and this downpipe is great.

      I got the downpipe with stock software for about a month, the gains were noticeable with the downpipe alone. Then I went GIAC stage 2 from stock. GIAC dealers are allowed to charge for labor for tuning from stage 1 to stage 2, some do it, some don't.

      The intake is ok, I have a stage 1+stage 2 BSH intake, which includes the turbo inlet pipe, heatshield, and the actual intake. The fitment on my particular intake was a little iffy, I had to do some modding to make it fit perfect, and now it's great. However, I am considering selling the set up (at a very good price, too, if you are interested,) and getting probably the modshack intake.

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      06-08-2012 06:28 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by HeadwrapKiller View Post
      I am currently running the APR Stage2 Testpipe file with their full exhaust (200 cell catted DP). Next Friday (15 June) I am heading over to BFI to get re-flashed and install a post-CAT o2 spacer, but I am concerned about this:

      Why is it necessary to have a spacer pre-CAT? Also, I spoke to APR, and they told me to flash back to stage 1 to pass emissions. Is it possible to just reflash to APR stage2 NON-Testpipe, install spacers, and not throw the code? CCTA engine btw. (NC still requires emissions testing yearly)

      EDIT: Just got off the phone with APR again, representative I spoke with earlier today misspoke about flashing back to stage1. APR said flash to Stage 2 NON-TestPipe, and work with spacer(s) until no longer throwing codes.
      Take a quick look at my post here, it has alot of info:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post77719864

      When you add a larger Diameter DownPipe you have changed how the car breathes. Your PRE-CAT Sensor will read higher with a larger DP. Also, on the CBFA motors they have two sensors as they run cleaner, they are detecting the PRE CAT o2 VS Post CAT o2 constantly, and it needs to satisfy certain criteria to not throw a CEL.

      This is why i don't like the test pipe file, many people have it not really knowing that their car is truly throwing a CEL and not going to pass an emissions inspection.

      As stated above, I would buy two RAI J spacers, they will allow you the best amount of fine tuning with their Jets. Some have been able to run CEL free with ONE SPACER on a CBFA but IMO its best to buy two and have them ready, since they are not really very pricey.

      Just because one spacer does not throw a CEL right away, does not mean a year later you dont start throwing CELs again, these motors are finiky and even stock setups can throw a CEL at times. So having two adjustable J spacers makes good sense.

      Last edited by rockerdan; 06-08-2012 at 06:31 PM.
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