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    Thread: CBFA Highflow Cat/Testpipe CEL Fix Thread

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      06-08-2012 06:44 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Take a quick look at my post here, it has alot of info:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post77719864

      When you add a larger Diameter DownPipe you have changed how the car breathes. Your PRE-CAT Sensor will read higher with a larger DP. Also, on the CBFA motors they have two sensors as they run cleaner, they are detecting the PRE CAT o2 VS Post CAT o2 constantly, and it needs to satisfy certain criteria to not throw a CEL.

      This is why i don't like the test pipe file, many people have it not really knowing that their car is truly throwing a CEL and not going to pass an emissions inspection.

      As stated above, I would buy two RAI J spacers, they will allow you the best amount of fine tuning with their Jets. Some have been able to run CEL free with ONE SPACER on a CBFA but IMO its best to buy two and have them ready, since they are not really very pricey.

      Just because one spacer does not throw a CEL right away, does not mean a year later you dont start throwing CELs again, these motors are finiky and even stock setups can throw a CEL at times. So having two adjustable J spacers makes good sense.

      I've been digging on this topic for a couple days already, and I have been keeping up with the thread you linked to as well. The guys at BFI think I should be OK with just a post-CAT spacer, but I will discuss it more with them.

      I guess I'm wondering now if it will be easier since I am CCTA not CBFA. Thanks for the info.
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      06-08-2012 07:17 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by HeadwrapKiller View Post
      I've been digging on this topic for a couple days already, and I have been keeping up with the thread you linked to as well. The guys at BFI think I should be OK with just a post-CAT spacer, but I will discuss it more with them.

      I guess I'm wondering now if it will be easier since I am CCTA not CBFA. Thanks for the info.
      OHHHH....My bad I did not see you were CCTA, since this thread is for CBFA i just assumed you were...lol

      You only need ONE o2 spacer, since you only have ONE sensor! (CCTA has only one)

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      06-08-2012 07:27 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      OHHHH....My bad I did not see you were CCTA, since this thread is for CBFA i just assumed you were...lol

      You only need ONE o2 spacer, since you only have ONE sensor! (CCTA has only one)

      DOH!!! Yeah, I guess I have been getting all worked up over nothing.

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      06-08-2012 07:36 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by HeadwrapKiller View Post
      DOH!!! Yeah, I guess I have been getting all worked up over nothing.

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      06-08-2012 07:37 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Actually, there are two sensors, one on the DP right where it connects to the turbo and the other one post-CAT on the APR mid-pipe. Following everyone's logic for CBFA, I should still only need the one spacer post-CAT, because even the CBFA o2 sensor on the turbo housing remains untouched, right?
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      06-08-2012 07:45 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by HeadwrapKiller View Post
      Actually, there are two sensors, one on the DP right where it connects to the turbo and the other one post-CAT on the APR mid-pipe. Following everyone's logic for CBFA, I should still only need the one spacer post-CAT, because even the CBFA o2 sensor on the turbo housing remains untouched, right?
      yes CCTA do have a o2 sensor right at the top of stock DP, this you can leave without a spacer(2 total)


      the CBFA motor has the top o2 sensor on the other side right at turbo, it is not on the DP on CBFA. Then one before and one after cat(3 total). This is why CBFA is so touchy to get CEL free, its constantly taking all these readings!

      I have never heard anyone having to use a spacer on the top sensor at turbo, Im not sure if this sensor takes the same type of readings as the rearward ones.

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      06-08-2012 07:50 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post

      Sweet. Thanks man. Really clears all this up for me.
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      06-10-2012 07:55 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by HeadwrapKiller View Post
      Actually, there are two sensors, one on the DP right where it connects to the turbo and the other one post-CAT on the APR mid-pipe. Following everyone's logic for CBFA, I should still only need the one spacer post-CAT, because even the CBFA o2 sensor on the turbo housing remains untouched, right?
      Installed EJ turbo back with 200 cell coverter on Friday. This was my first modification. Following the advice of Ian at P&G Performance, I used 42DD spacer on the O2 sensor after the cat. 21 miles and the CEL came on. I used the info on this thread and got the sparkplug non-fouler for the O2 sensor in front of the cat. A little time with the drill and the non-fouler fit perfectly. After a 50 mile drive, the CEL went out on the next start-up and has not returned after multiple start-ups and another 150 miles.
      Thanks to everyone involved with this thread!

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      06-10-2012 08:45 AM #84
      if anyone needs a 3'' SS mandrel bent pipe with real V-band clamps and comes with either a test pipe section or high flow cat, message me.
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      06-10-2012 11:16 AM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by fms93gt View Post
      Installed EJ turbo back with 200 cell coverter on Friday. This was my first modification. Following the advice of Ian at P&G Performance, I used 42DD spacer on the O2 sensor after the cat. 21 miles and the CEL came on. I used the info on this thread and got the sparkplug non-fouler for the O2 sensor in front of the cat. A little time with the drill and the non-fouler fit perfectly. After a 50 mile drive, the CEL went out on the next start-up and has not returned after multiple start-ups and another 150 miles.
      Thanks to everyone involved with this thread!
      Are you talking about a CBFA or CCTA engine?
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      06-10-2012 12:40 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by fms93gt View Post
      Installed EJ turbo back with 200 cell coverter on Friday. This was my first modification. Following the advice of Ian at P&G Performance, I used 42DD spacer on the O2 sensor after the cat. 21 miles and the CEL came on. I used the info on this thread and got the sparkplug non-fouler for the O2 sensor in front of the cat. A little time with the drill and the non-fouler fit perfectly. After a 50 mile drive, the CEL went out on the next start-up and has not returned after multiple start-ups and another 150 miles.
      Thanks to everyone involved with this thread!
      I assume you are CBFA due to installing non fouler before cat. This just goes to show two spacers work best for CBFA, but it also shows that these setups can differ from one another, more spacing, less spacing, different types, all seem to be able to be made to work.

      again i feel the RAI gives us the most flexibilty simply due to their JETS, which i think is the ticket if starting from scratch.

      Guy who have made their cars CBFA cel free, please keep track of your mileage and report back every so often so we know they are staying CEL free over long periods.

      great thread here!!!

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      06-10-2012 12:41 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by Krieger View Post
      if anyone needs a 3'' SS mandrel bent pipe with real V-band clamps and comes with either a test pipe section or high flow cat, message me.
      you talking about the actual DP or just piping, hard to tell from this post.

      if you have a DP would love to see pics and costs...
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      06-10-2012 03:01 PM #88
      its a full DP. lol

      message me for pics and info. selling fast and im about to go on vacation, so who knows how many more ill get to for the next few weeks.
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      06-10-2012 09:57 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by HeadwrapKiller View Post
      Are you talking about a CBFA or CCTA engine?
      CBFA

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      06-11-2012 09:34 AM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Krieger View Post
      its a full DP. lol

      message me for pics and info. selling fast and im about to go on vacation, so who knows how many more ill get to for the next few weeks.
      I have one installed on my car and loving it, plus you cant beat the price

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      06-11-2012 12:13 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by Krieger View Post
      its a full DP. lol

      message me for pics and info. selling fast and im about to go on vacation, so who knows how many more ill get to for the next few weeks.
      Thanks for the PM and all the info, great deal!

      My problem is i wont be ready to go stage 2 for awhile still.....so Ill probably miss out. I will surely PM you when im ready to see if you have any at that time.

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      06-16-2012 02:51 PM #92
      42dd catless downpipe with 2 90* elbow, o2 spacers from ebay - first spacer drilled out a tad. Over two hundred miles so far without a cel, knock on wood. Factory tune, stock intake. The ebay spacers I got were $18 a piece.
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      Tis quite purtty, although I am sure Rocket has ruined it with McDonalds grease and Marlboro reds by now.

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      06-16-2012 07:08 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by mcgillis View Post
      42dd catless downpipe with 2 90* elbow, o2 spacers from ebay - first spacer drilled out a tad. Over two hundred miles so far without a cel, knock on wood. Factory tune, stock intake. The ebay spacers I got were $18 a piece.
      wow, interesting without a cat at all! nice work.

      The great thing about this(if you dont mind the smell) is you could go with a much cheaper DP(like ebay/godspeed ect) if its easy enough to be CEL free without CAT. Alot less cash!

      Please give link to ebay spacers, would love to see some pics of them, great price too.

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      06-16-2012 07:23 PM #94
      http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...d=290725542501

      The "inlet" hole is around the same size as the bfi (had a bfi spacer on my 1.8t and vr6).
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      Quote Originally Posted by mcgillis View Post
      http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewi...d=290725542501

      The "inlet" hole is around the same size as the bfi (had a bfi spacer on my 1.8t and vr6).
      Does that say steel? (not stainless) I wonder how fast that will rust out if its not SS ?

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      06-16-2012 10:36 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by rockerdan View Post
      Does that say steel? (not stainless) I wonder how fast that will rust out if its not SS ?

      I'll be going apr stage 2 before they get a chance to rust. I just wanted it to keep me cel-less for the time being. For those who are looking for a more permanent solution, without catless software, the 42dd spacers look top quality (nearly $40 a piece though).
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      Tis quite purtty, although I am sure Rocket has ruined it with McDonalds grease and Marlboro reds by now.

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      Installed two of these today. Time will tell. Wish me luck!

      Fingers crossed...

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      07-11-2012 11:52 AM #98
      I hate to burst your bubble, but if you have the CBFA motor and try to use a simple 90 degree spacer by itself you will most likely throw a CEL. You will probably have to add a straight spacer as I did or maybe try the RAI 90 degree spacer with adjustable inserts.
      Im not sure if the CCTA can get away with a simple 90 degree spacer though.
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      07-11-2012 12:00 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by ViRtUaLheretic View Post
      I hate to burst your bubble, but if you have the CBFA motor and try to use a simple 90 degree spacer by itself you will most likely throw a CEL. You will probably have to add a straight spacer as I did or maybe try the RAI 90 degree spacer with adjustable inserts.
      Im not sure if the CCTA can get away with a simple 90 degree spacer though.
      That's exactly what I had to do. Hopefully the BFI spacers work out though as the spacers are the same. The BFI/RAI combo I have works for sure. 3+k miles with no P420.

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      07-11-2012 12:57 PM #100
      thanks for the input guys. i did a 15 mile drive after installing the meagan racing right angle spacers and threw a p2271 code. its at bank 1 sensor 2. so i guess i have some work to do.

      damn cbfa...oh well, compared to the bpy fsi that i lemoned this cbfa has been a godsend

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