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      05-08-2012 09:18 PM #1
      As most of you know North Carolina is hours away from passing an amendment additive that may constrict Gay marriage. I am fully against the bill in every way, and I don't think it's the states or Federal jurisdiction to pass such an act.

      To every gay couple out there I am sincerely sorry for any objection that may be made law by these silly elections.
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      "Statistically, a man who voted for Amendment 1 in NC has another man's erect penis in his mouth right now." - Rob Delaney, Patriot

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      05-08-2012 09:25 PM #3
      Nobody holds it against you. There are morons in every state.

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      05-08-2012 09:27 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Papa Dras View Post
      Nobody holds it against you. There are morons in every state.
      I do feel a bit guilty although I voted against it it will still pass. Not all conservatives are closed minded ass hats.(I am a conservative)
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      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      I do feel a bit guilty although I voted against it it will still pass. Not all conservatives are closed minded ass hats.(I am a conservative)
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      05-08-2012 11:16 PM #6
      I was wondering how a full 18% of the GOP voters in the state thought voting for Frothy or Newt was a good idea then I saw that A1 had passed. They had to be the same people.
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      05-08-2012 09:28 PM #7
      I voted against it. It's up to 60% yes in the polls right now
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      05-08-2012 09:33 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      I voted against it. It's up to 60% yes in the polls right now
      It is pretty ridiculous. What exactly does this mean for gay members of our state?

      It doesn't sound pretty.
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      05-08-2012 09:34 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      It is pretty ridiculous. What exactly does this mean for gay members of our state?

      It doesn't sound pretty.
      I don't know. Is there a date when it will go into effect? Will it hold up to "activist judges" ?
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      05-08-2012 10:10 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      It is pretty ridiculous. What exactly does this mean for gay members of our state?

      It doesn't sound pretty.
      I welcome being corrected but all it means I've read is the wall against allowing gay couples more than civil unions just got built a little higher.

      Gay couples are already limited to civic unions only and this is just a means to try and prevent future attempts to change that.

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      05-10-2012 02:50 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      It is pretty ridiculous. What exactly does this mean for gay members of our state?

      It doesn't sound pretty.
      People who are married get benefits from working like work insurance and such. When your husband or wife is in the ER swell, only the immediate family is allowed in.

      With gay Marriage, they are giving them all the perks of being married. I just do not believe that they should pass this as "Marriage".

      They should just name it something else....

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      05-11-2012 06:05 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      I voted against it. It's up to 60% yes in the polls right now
      What does this tell you? The majority of voters are AGAINST gay marriage. Respect their decision.
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      05-11-2012 06:12 PM #13
      I think "respect" not meaning "like", "agree with" or "support" might have been covered here.
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      05-11-2012 06:16 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Uberhare View Post
      What does this tell you? The majority of voters are AGAINST gay marriage. Respect their decision.
      you are right, no one should ever protest or maintain an opposing view to the majority of voters.
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      05-11-2012 06:19 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Uberhare View Post
      What does this tell you? The majority of voters are AGAINST gay marriage. Respect their decision.
      how about respect the rights gays should have?
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      05-12-2012 11:50 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Uberhare View Post
      What does this tell you? The majority of voters are AGAINST gay marriage. Respect their decision.
      Yup.

      I find it funny that majority includes a large % of the black community in NC. Using the same bible verses that were once used to justify slavery as a means to justify hate against gays.

      I love how history repeats itself.

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      05-12-2012 11:57 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Uberhare View Post
      What does this tell you? The majority of voters are AGAINST gay marriage. Respect their decision.
      If the voters voted to permit slavery or the internment of Japanese again we should go along with their wishes then, right?
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      05-14-2012 01:25 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Uberhare View Post
      What does this tell you? The majority of voters are AGAINST gay marriage. Respect their decision.
      No. It says that it was nearly a case of voter fraud. They put it on the primary ballot, specifically because most voters at the polls that day would be Republicans. If it had been on the fall ballot, it would not have passed.

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      05-08-2012 10:24 PM #19
      Couple of good tweets....

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      "NC voted to ban same sex marriage, which was already illegal. Bigotry is the only reason you do it twice over."
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Couple of good tweets....

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      05-09-2012 10:49 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by butterface View Post
      No.
      If you can give me exact date and time that you made the conscious decision to be attracted to people of the opposite sex, rather than those of the same, then I'll consider that homosexuality is a choice.

      Otherwise, face the fact that you were born, grew up, and found yourself attracted to people of the opposite sex, period. It's the exact same way for us. I never made this choice. I grew up being attracted to members of the same sex just as naturally as you did for the opposite. No difference.
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      05-09-2012 10:57 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post
      If you can give me exact date and time that you made the conscious decision to be attracted to people of the opposite sex, rather than those of the same, then I'll consider that homosexuality is a choice.

      Otherwise, face the fact that you were born, grew up, and found yourself attracted to people of the opposite sex, period. It's the exact same way for us. I never made this choice. I grew up being attracted to members of the same sex just as naturally as you did for the opposite. No difference.
      This. It boggles my mind how heterosexual's debate this when they have not lived it! Stop telling me how I chose it when you have no idea. I did not chose my hair color, skin color nor my eye color. I can do my best to hide it but at the end of the day I was born this way. And to piss some more people off, GOD made me this way. Him and I are good, it's the zealots who have the problem. Stop focusing on others and worry about you.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post
      If you can give me exact date and time that you made the conscious decision to be attracted to people of the opposite sex, rather than those of the same, then I'll consider that homosexuality is a choice.

      Otherwise, face the fact that you were born, grew up, and found yourself attracted to people of the opposite sex, period. It's the exact same way for us. I never made this choice. I grew up being attracted to members of the same sex just as naturally as you did for the opposite. No difference.
      The fact is that I don't know the answer, but neither do other psychologists or scientists. I have zero issues with homosexuals being able to do what you all wish to do, nor do I think it is abhorrent behavior or anything of the sort. To me, whether it is developmental or biological makes no difference, but I do get ill when folks try to state theory and/or conjecture as fact.

      But as for the law, I am fine with it. It does not infringe on one's individual rights.

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      05-09-2012 10:59 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by butterface View Post
      the fact is that i don't know the answer, but neither do other psychologists or scientists. I have zero issues with homosexuals being able to do what you all wish to do, nor do i think it is abhorrent behavior or anything of the sort. To me, whether it is developmental or biological makes no difference, but i do get ill when folks try to state theory and/or conjecture as fact.

      But as for the law, i am fine with it. It does not infringe on one's individual rights.
      you even cited the link saying this is 100% wrong
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      Quote Originally Posted by butterface View Post
      The fact is that I don't know the answer, but neither do other psychologists or scientists.
      Of course you have the answer. Like it or not, scientific proof or not, you know (but won't admit) that you never made a choice to be heterosexual. You just are. You can't control who you are attracted to anymore than I can. You can no more wake up tomorrow and decide for the day, you'll be attracted to the same sex and go have some good nasty gay sex, than I can decide for now on I'll b attracted to people of the opposite sex.

      As for science, the only thing science can really proof is what causes homosexuality, whether it's genetic, or a learned behavior. However, which ever cause turns out to be the scientific cause, the fact remains it's not a choice. It just is.

      And of course you are happy with the law, and of course you don't think it infringes on individual rights, but that's only because it doesn't infringe upon YOUR individual rights.

      You can marry the person you fall in love with. I cannot. So don't try and play word games to say we have the same rights.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post
      Of course you have the answer.
      No, I don't.

      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post
      Like it or not, scientific proof or not, you know (but won't admit) that you never made a choice to be heterosexual. You just are. You can't control who you are attracted to anymore than I can. You can no more wake up tomorrow and decide for the day, you'll be attracted to the same sex and go have some good nasty gay sex, than I can decide for now on I'll b attracted to people of the opposite sex.
      But this doesn't make it genetic in origin. A behavioral cause of homosexuality doesn't necessarily denote a conscious choice.

      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post
      And of course you are happy with the law, and of course you don't think it infringes on individual rights, but that's only because it doesn't infringe upon YOUR individual rights.
      I would have zero issues if the state did not recognize heterosexual marriage.

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      Quote Originally Posted by StormChaser View Post
      Dear North Carolinians,

      Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you all, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

      I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

      a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

      b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

      c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

      d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

      e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

      f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

      g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

      h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

      i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

      j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

      I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

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      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      My tone focused on judgement being passed upon NCarolina(the state), not the actual vote. You interpreted wrongly, no problem, I wasn't clear enough.

      And if nobody has yet to support A1 here that is definitely NOT the norm as the country is just recently split even on this issue. I keep forgeting Vortex is mostly comprised of young adults. Damn I'm old...
      I'm from Florida, you need to grow thicker skin about your state.

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      I'm from Florida, you need to grow thicker skin about your state.
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      05-11-2012 11:29 AM #35
      A gay friend of mine made a similar point on FB this morning. He wants Marriage Equality, period.

      They don't want to get "gay married" they want to get "married."

      A point even the supporters need to remember. Semantics matter.
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