You are all ignoring another important issue in NC. You can't order a burger cooked medium, now that is an atrocity.
the whole class system makes it even more bigoted then simply saying straight marriages that can't or don't including child rearing are pointless/dumb/government shouldn't recognize them.
Originally Posted by kwik!gti
Are you asking questions pertaining to a rational basis test, or just questions about why a society generally would want to support conventional families in its laws?
Did you mean to ask whether the goal reflects a legitimate governmental interest?
I am asking because it makes a difference in how I will answer you.
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B: Many of these "voluntary" sexual relationships are involuntary or coerced.
C: Participating in homosexual activities doesn't make someone gay. Someone can be bisexual. Some people just do things to get off.
D: Participating in heterosexual behavior out in the world with societal pressure and a macho-culture doesn't make someone heterosexual.
You are confusing sexuality with sex. They are in fact, two different things.
Sexuality is a lot less fluid than that.
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Originally Posted by Ducky TSX
However, it does make sense that homosexuality is psychologically developmental (re: behavioral) in nature, and there is ample research to support this. As such, it implies choice - whether conscious or no.
Now, what we are debating is whether society can regulate an individual's behavior. We do all of the time, and we do it based on our various versions of morality, ethics, and other reasons.
NC decided that it did not wish to collectively endorse homosexual marriage. It did not, however, vote to infringe on the individual liberties of homosexuals. Do you not see the difference?
What kind of a relationship does your family have? I know people that have come from essentially that same type of background. Parents sacrificed when they were young, to start a family. But now, as the parents are approaching their 60's, and the kids are married and starting their own families, they are sharing some wonderful times and making some wonderful memories.
Starting a family at 40 puts your kids in a difficult spot. When they're 25, and could possibly be thinking about starting families of their own, they may have to worry about taking care of their aging parents. If you've been together since your early/mid 20's, and decide at 40 that you now want kids, I just think that's being selfish, and you've decided that you're now missing something in your life. I worked with a couple of women that were like this. Career driven and all of a sudden 40 was right around the corner. They had to find husbands and pop out kids to feel 'complete'. One of them was hilarious. Her and her husband bought a nice, shiny, new McMansion, and hired a live-in nanny to raise their kid while they kept up their pre-kid lifestyle.
Otherwise, face the fact that you were born, grew up, and found yourself attracted to people of the opposite sex, period. It's the exact same way for us. I never made this choice. I grew up being attracted to members of the same sex just as naturally as you did for the opposite. No difference.
This is the conjecture I was referring to. There is no scientific and medical consensus based on research to support this conclusion. They are hypothesizing this to be the case. If you can't see that 'a complex interplay' means 'we don't really know', then I don't know what to tell you.Originally Posted by Wiki
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But as for the law, I am fine with it. It does not infringe on one's individual rights.