Marriage, like baptism or communion is a sacrament of the church. The state can not sanction marriage in any way shape or form. The state exists to handle the paperwork and aspects of the legal union that results from marriage. If people wish to enjoy those legal rights, then the state, under the equal protection of the constitution, must grant those rights to people who wish them outside of the sacrament of marriage.
Basically, from a legal stand point, the state has no business being involved in marriage. If the church refuses to perform gay marriage, so what. Since the state can't baptize me, why should they be able to marry me. All unions, gay or straight should be civil from the states standpoint. There should be some basic limitations ( 2 willing of age people, no sheep... that sort of stuff) but after that the state has no interest. The church can dictate the particulars of marriage all it wants, as it is a sacrament.
DL;DR? Ban all marriage.
Lets keep the religion bashing to a minimum please!!
Just because Democrats may hold a majority in the state says nothing about why this bill passed. If you think all democrats support all causes by their party your just as stupid as the people who think all conservatives are bigoted hate mongers who hate the poor.
What you are seeing, Obama's election being an exclusion, is how North Carolina actually votes. You could say Obama will get destroyed in this swing state.
I've said before in other threads about this that all marriage should not be state recognized (not illegal, just not recognized), and that joint partnership and/or union should be the only thing the state recognizes.
That's way to simple and sensible to come from a government though.
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There's no way that, with all the current marriage contracts out there, that states can no longer be involved in marriage. Its too late - they already are.
It's a question of civil rights now.
I'm surprised that no one has posted this yet - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/inte...-united-states
NC is not the first to ban gay marriage, but I think the thing that makes this extra reprehensible is that in gets rid of civil unions as well. I have seen in several exit polls that people who voted for the marriage ban were not clear on this point, and do not think civil unions should be banned. We shall see what happens. Prop 8 was overturned as unconstitutional, and it seems that is a possibility, however slim in this case too. So much for separation of church and state.
Several other have already made this point but I think it bears repeating - why should you care about something that has no effect on your day to day life? Cliche, but still relevant, this -
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
I am not comparing voters in NC to Nazis, that is ridiculous. But the sentiment of being passive because it does not effect your life is the same, and is happening (and has happened) all over the country. Dick Luger just lost a primary because he believes in working with people who have different ideological beliefs. Ass hats like Rick Santorum actually have audiences to their bigoted, ignorant ideals. My vagina is apparently short on government officials and I should stop trying to make decisions. This is how rights that have been gained are chipped away. Little by little, relying on the ignorance and apathy of the voters. So yes, there was already a ban on marriage in NC, and there are bans or restrictions in 30 other states. So why care? Because marriage is a human right, and if you sit back and let it be trampled on, the next right that gets the ax might have everything to do with you.
Votes like this are not along party lines. Yes, statistically, more dems vote for gay rights and more reps vote against, but this vote is religious. And as people have already said, there are Very Religious People in every party. The only justifications that I have heard for this is to "keep marriage how god made it" which is BS to me.
There are always going to be bigots and racists and people filled to the brim with hate. Passing civil rights laws are a way to tell those people to keep their hate to themselves.
My dad for example. Not religious. Not completely against gays, but I wouldn't doubt he would have voted in favor of this amendment. Well, it depends on whether he decided to read a libertarian news site or Fox News for the day since his viewpoint swings in different directions depending on the day of the week.
The solution is both obvious and simple: the state does not have the right to assign benefits to a set of citizens based on the nature of said citizen's relationships.
Who the hell cares. Let gay people get married.
The real reason is all the religious fanatics... OMG gay marriage is unholy! Well that should be left up to their churches if they want to perform the ceremonies or not. Getting married at a court house is not a religious affair.
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This vote is a screw you to people that others don't like. Just like when race was not allowed to do certain things, it was an attack on someone else's person. NOT something where you were protecting your own rights in any way. If gay marriage affected anyone else I would think differently but since a gay marriage doesn't change my marriage to Nina in any way I should have no say about if someone else can be married together.
Government should make sure peoples rights are protected and that people are not taking rights away from others. In this case it is just taking rights away from others, in no way is it protecting any persons rights. I can't even begin to imagine how pissed off I would be if, while my wife and I were planning our wedding, my neighbors came to me and said, "Dave, we all took a vote and decided you don't have a right to get married."
Make it three yards mother****er and we'll have an automobile race
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1 Corinthians 5:1
All verses against incest, yet its still legal in the state.