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    Thread: How much HP/TQ do you REALLY need in a DD?

    1. Member Voodoo.T's Avatar
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      05-09-2012 11:00 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by SoCalDubber View Post
      What I consider to be the perfect DD/commuter. 101hp @ 98lb-ft (plus an intake and Magnaflow)

      Having now had one as a rental, albeit in a much more pleasing shade of brown than... that, I can agree that this was adequate to keep me from getting killed by idiots in big trucks trying to kill me while I was in Houston. And it was also an autotragic. Probably would've been more entertaining with a proper transmission.

      HP/TQ isn't everything, especially in a lighter car. The Fiat moves just fine with ~100hp. I have 215hp/230tq or thereabouts in my 9-3, and that's more than enough for a daily.
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      05-09-2012 11:02 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by teklord69 View Post
      As long as over 151 torque you are ok.
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      05-09-2012 11:02 AM #28
      I daily drove my '93 Miata w/ no issues. They have what? 110hp on a good day? I never felt "unsafe" while merging on to the highway. Cruised around at 70mpg usually got around 30mpgs.
      I <3 driving.

    4. 05-09-2012 11:02 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      No. I am a car guy.
      I'm a car guy and I did just that.

      All depends on your priorities.

      I had an 06 WRX that, when driven easily, was averaging 20mpg on my commute and had me filling up every 2.5 days. At between $40-45 a tank, that got old fast. It was fun to drive, but it was costing me about $500 a month or more on gas.

      Sold it after 6 weeks and got an 09 Civic with an auto. Yes its boring, yes its slow, but it handles highway trips fine (where almost all my commute is anyways) and the gas savings alone makes it worth it for a dd where I'm not utilizing the WRXs power or handling capabilities.

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      05-09-2012 11:06 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by BetterByDesign View Post
      Those minivans are powered by anger, not HP.
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      05-09-2012 11:12 AM #31
      As long as I can get traction in third with street tires

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      05-09-2012 03:36 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      If you're getting 22/27 out of the M3, I'd be more concerned that you're simply not enjoying the vehicle.

      Why does it bother you? I assume it's not for financial reasons as we're not talking about much money here...
      The next year or so might bring a new family member to...err...our family. I can't put a childseat in the back of the M and I can't justify spending gobs of money on new(er) cars with bad fuel economy (the thought of a e90 M3 crossed my mind). I'd also like to keep this car for a while and as time passes the more expensive gas will get.

      Trust me, many times the M is in the mid-teens when it comes to mpg.
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      05-09-2012 03:42 PM #33
      I went from 355/385 to 160/146 on my DD.

      18 mpg combined to 33 mpg combined. Plenty of grunt for my commute.
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      05-09-2012 04:17 PM #34
      About 25-23 lbs/hp and 21-19 lbs/tq is about right.

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      05-09-2012 04:25 PM #35
      My last several cars have been between 200-250hp. My current GTI is around 220 and it's plenty for DD duties. It's the first new car I've had and I really like having the creature comforts. Having NAV and bluetooth makes it a nice place to be slogging back and forth to work. The fact that it only uses 3/4 of a tank every two weeks is nice.

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      05-09-2012 04:29 PM #36
      There's a big difference between what you really need and what you like or want. I owned a VW Fox with 81 hp, a mkII Jetta with 85 hp (likely much less when I had it!), and a largish peugeot wagon with 96 hp. None of the car were a powerhouse and none had much torque. They got me around just fine. Was it fun pushing these cars? Mildly, but none were particularly gratifying because they all sounded like they were going to blow up over 4k rpms.

      As I've gotten older, I've owned faster and faster cars, all of which had more power and torque than I needed. But I can tell you they were much more fun to push hard than the weak cars I owned before. I think a better question would be what you think are the characteristics that make a car fun.

      Edit: I wouldn't trade power/tq for economy, unless there was some financial/practical reason I needed to do so. Though some of the bigger V6 TDI motors out there are a ton of fun!
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      05-09-2012 04:30 PM #37
      how about a used TDI? tons of torque and enough HP and you get the awesome MPG...
      When I am feeling fast I drive the bmw, when I have to get somewhere fast with the family i drive the k04 Tiguan...

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      05-09-2012 04:31 PM #38
      Power and mileage don't always equate.

      This gets 9mpg in town and 11 on the Interstate.

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      05-09-2012 04:32 PM #39
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      05-09-2012 04:32 PM #40
      225's been pretty good for me

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      05-09-2012 04:33 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      No. I am a car guy.
      Right. Because all car guys want the same thing. Got it.

      I'll take handling over power every day in my DD.
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    17. 05-09-2012 04:37 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by sicklyscott View Post
      So what say you TCL? Would you trade your keys in on a quick car for a slower car with better MPG? If you have done this, do you regret it? How did you cope with the "lack" of power?
      yes, i traded this,


      for this,


      although the hyundai has more power here, it wasn't as fun to drive as the E30. So no regrets whatsoever, my life has improved considerably since. The society felt more livable. i can merge safely. I didn't have to deal with a lack of power. And while we're at it, even my sex life got beter. All in all, i felt like i was dying when i owned the M3. It was one of those pain that i wouldn't wish upon my enemy.
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      Keep in mind the noise you hear in an S2000 is the ENGINE, and not the exhaust note that VR6 people jizz over. I'd rather have a nice sounding engine than a nice sounding exhaust.

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      05-09-2012 05:02 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo.T View Post
      Having now had one as a rental, albeit in a much more pleasing shade of brown than... that, I can agree that this was adequate to keep me from getting killed by idiots in big trucks trying to kill me while I was in Houston. And it was also an autotragic. Probably would've been more entertaining with a proper transmission.

      HP/TQ isn't everything, especially in a lighter car. The Fiat moves just fine with ~100hp. I have 215hp/230tq or thereabouts in my 9-3, and that's more than enough for a daily.

      I've owned several powerful cars and I can't say that many have been as fun to dd than my 500. Onramps are no problem, cloverleafs are fun and certain inclines just require a downshift.

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      05-09-2012 05:39 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
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      05-09-2012 05:49 PM #45
      I was happy with 184HP in my E46. 0-60mph were between 6.7-7.2s. More than adequate and the engine was fun. This 200HP engine is also fun, but with an automatic, I would welcome another 40HP or shorter gearing.

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      05-09-2012 06:11 PM #46
      I'd be happy with a Tial kit and 550whp; the best boost controller is your right foot....

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      05-09-2012 06:27 PM #47
      Mk1 VW with a turbo'd ABA has been the best DD for me. At 1,900lbs and 300+lbs/torque in street trim it moves around nicely. I get about 30mpg average and as 36mpg on the highway. It's a good combo of being frugal while still putting some fear into you.
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      05-09-2012 06:43 PM #48
      I have about 300/290. It's probably a little much as the only time I get to enjoy it is on the on-ramp. Straight into cruise at 70 after that for 12 miles. Kind of a waste, really.

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      05-09-2012 06:46 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye(OH) View Post
      I have about 300/290. It's probably a little much as the only time I get to enjoy it is on the on-ramp. Straight into cruise at 70 after that for 12 miles. Kind of a waste, really.
      I blame living in Ohio, it's horrible for anyone that likes decent roads to enjoy their car. Unless you live in SE Ohio.

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      05-09-2012 06:52 PM #50
      My summer DD I have 125hp 51ft-lb torque do 0-60 in about 3 seconds and get around 60 mpg...


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