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[VAsteve]

@ Summit Point



@ VIR

[6cylVWguy]

Need more pics!!

Unfortunately, I've seen things like this more times than I'm comfortable with, which is why, as much as I'd love to, the mustang probably won't be seeing track time for quite a while.

[DIAF]

This is what I autox - though I don't own it.

NE Divisionals this weekend

[6cylVWguy]

This is what I autox - though I don't own it.

Could you explain this to me--I've seen this referenced several times over the years in various threads and it just doesn't make much sense to me*, unless you paid for a part of the purchase price of the car. Why would someone who actually owns a specific car (at least with reference to amateur competition) want someone else piloting it? Wouldn't it create some tension if you (the non-owner) regularly get times that are faster than the owner? I could see if an owner partnered with a faster driver just so the car has a better chance of getting a W, but why would that matter is it's at the amateur level? Who pays for repairs/gas/entrance fees/regular maintenance?

I can't see a situation where I'd want to share my car with anyone*. I'd rather just learn to be as good a driver as I could be.


*the only instance where I could see this making sense if relatives (father and son) share a car as a way of bonding.

[TheGreenspanator]

A lot of people in autocross share cars, if you're doing a lot of events it helps keep costs down. Usually, but not always, one of them is more mechanically adept than the other. Not sure I'd do it, but I know quite a few people who did/do it.

[6cylVWguy]

A lot of people in autocross share cars, if you're doing a lot of events it helps keep costs down. Usually, but not always, one of them is more mechanically adept than the other. Not sure I'd do it, but I know quite a few people who did/do it.

I've noticed that to, but with how little you're actually behind the wheel during an autocross, it seems like a big price to pay to get someone else to help with the incidentals. Maybe on the national level it's a bit different.

[S0RRY]

Is the second photo in VT? Closest thing I've ever been to is a closed airport, didn't think there were any real tracks back home.

[compy222]

Need more pics!!

Here's a shot of the aftermath of a wreck at my last track day..happened on the first lap.

waterford hills claims another victim. looks like he lost it coming off the back straight?

been there once or twice myself. nice looking vw OP!


slap brakes at top of hilltop to settle the nose, turn in, and bury it!

[joe@vwvortex]

My B5 S4 track car in the Advanced/Open Passing group - no point bys and passing anywhere. I was turning 2:04-06's fast laps and the older Porsche that passed me was full track/race prepped with a World Challenge level driver at the wheel - He was turning 1:54's.....

[C4 A6]

My B5 S4 track car in the Advanced/Open Passing group - no point bys and passing anywhere.

What organization? I've never heard of any such run group with any of the organizations I've run with

[Roadkilled78]

Could you explain this to me--I've seen this referenced several times over the years in various threads and it just doesn't make much sense to me...

There's several reasons it comes up in autocross:

-At big events, having a second driver means the car makes runs twice as often - warming the tires faster and keeping them warmer.

-Race tires are pricey. Having your car make 8 runs in a day instead of 4 doesn't add much wear and tear, except to tires. So if you have a well prepped car and someone offers to buy you tires for the season if they can co-drive it, good deal for both of you!

-If you want to know how you stack up against the big boys, but don't want to spend big boy money on car prep, co-driving is appealing. I did this for one year. I'd have bought the tires anyway. Above that, it cost me less than one 'good' shock absorber. (And I hear you need four of them things!)

-Codriving with someone of higher skill level will teach you things and make you faster. To address your comment about hard feelings, well, suck it up. If someone steps into your car and kicks your ass, you could learn a thing or two from them, eh? I've had it go both ways, but it's most fun when you and the other person are closely matched.

-It's just plain fun to drive other cars among people you trust, for a change of pace or if someone's usual car is out of commission.

The common factor to all of the above that makes it reasonable is that wadding up a car at an autocross event is much less common than on a track, nevermind a wheel-to-wheel race. Plus, if you're smart, you arrange this ahead of time. Generally the car owner deals with maintenance and anything that breaks that is not the fault of the driver. Flat spot the tires? Hit a pole? You're payin'.

[IJM]

This is my daily driver.

[IJM]

@ VIR

TrackDaze event?

[GTI MK1]

I will be driving these two this weekend (dad's 930 street car and a 930 race car we share):

Are you from Ottawa? Because I had an identical 930 in our shop getting new rubber.

[VOLKS-MAN]

[QUOTE=compy222;77312464]waterford hills claims another victim. looks like he lost it coming off the back straight?

been there once or twice myself. nice looking vw OP!

Thanks, its been a long on-going project.

The Mustang actuallly crashed off on the left side of the track before big bend before going onto the back straight. I didn't see it happen but the car was left there until the remaining 3 sessions finished. It was actually hard to see becasue it was basically down in the trees.

Anyone that has been to Waterford Hills knows it's not a forgiving track and has claimed many many cars over the years. Every time out there I always see one or two getting towed out.

[Cousin Eddie]

Are you from Ottawa? Because I had an identical 930 in our shop getting new rubber.

Which one the race car? Cause it was from Gatineau area (well originally Florida, then Virginia, then Gatineau).

The Street car was a California car brought into Toronto. I'm from central Ontario.

[6cylVWguy]

I did this for one year.

Thanks for the perspective, as it's not something I really considered before. I assume that most people who share cars do it with people they know, but are there people who own cars who randomly look for people to share driving duties with for the season because of the reasons you listed? Like on local SCCA forums or something like that?

[Brendan@bwalkauto]

Great track toy. '06 NA Exige?

-Codriving with someone of higher skill level will teach you things and make you faster. To address your comment about hard feelings, well, suck it up. If someone steps into your car and kicks your ass, you could learn a thing or two from them, eh?

This is a great point. Back when I was in college I taught a friend of mine the art of driving in the mountains, and he was pretty bad. He'd get all pissed when I'd jump in his car and go much faster than he could muster, but as time wore on, he lost the attitude, started asking more questions, practiced, and got pretty darn quick.

He spends more time on the track than I do, and at this point, I'd expect him to run away from me at Laguna if I was in my E39, and rather than be pissed, I'm proud at how far he has come.

[taymk2]

Seeing some of these cars I want a track only car now

[joe@vwvortex]

What organization? I've never heard of any such run group with any of the organizations I've run with

Several of the groups here in NorCal have this group. This day was the Northern California Racing Club or NCRC. TEAM racing also has this in the advanced group. These aren't races regardless of what their name implies.

[DIAF]

There's several reasons it comes up in autocross:

-At big events, having a second driver means the car makes runs twice as often - warming the tires faster and keeping them warmer.

-Race tires are pricey. Having your car make 8 runs in a day instead of 4 doesn't add much wear and tear, except to tires. So if you have a well prepped car and someone offers to buy you tires for the season if they can co-drive it, good deal for both of you!

-If you want to know how you stack up against the big boys, but don't want to spend big boy money on car prep, co-driving is appealing. I did this for one year. I'd have bought the tires anyway. Above that, it cost me less than one 'good' shock absorber. (And I hear you need four of them things!)

-Codriving with someone of higher skill level will teach you things and make you faster. To address your comment about hard feelings, well, suck it up. If someone steps into your car and kicks your ass, you could learn a thing or two from them, eh? I've had it go both ways, but it's most fun when you and the other person are closely matched.

-It's just plain fun to drive other cars among people you trust, for a change of pace or if someone's usual car is out of commission.

The common factor to all of the above that makes it reasonable is that wadding up a car at an autocross event is much less common than on a track, nevermind a wheel-to-wheel race. Plus, if you're smart, you arrange this ahead of time. Generally the car owner deals with maintenance and anything that breaks that is not the fault of the driver. Flat spot the tires? Hit a pole? You're payin'.

All of these reasons sum it up nicely. Good post.

[RacingManiac]

3Balls racing in MI/IL/OH area does it also in their top tier run group....had a passenger ride in one session....pretty scary stuff for a novice to be even a passenger in....

[Brickx3]

My track toy


and (I know what the title states but I had to share) the owner of my companies...

[DIAF]

Stupid tapatalk.

[tgodbout]

[loudgli]

I have tried to set the car up for triple duty (straight track, round track, street)
Does none all that well but atleast its my POS.

[2 doors]

TrackDaze event?

Given the evidence of: 1) it's an R32, 2) it's at VIR, 3) those numbers, and 4) it looks like Eric's car in the background, I'd guess yes.

[teenwolf]

yet to get to a real track but...

[CorradoSLC]

VIR last weekend

[C4 A6]

VIR last weekend

Please tell me it's an auto.

[CorradoSLC]

Please tell me it's an auto.

Looks like yet another person has been disappointed by a Mk4...

[VAsteve]

TrackDaze event?

Yep, a few years ago though. I haven't been on the track since my daughter was born.. I should be able to get a day or two in this summer though. The R isn't the DD anymore either, so it's nice to have a fun car I can play with...

[Pf3il]

NE Divisionals this weekend

see you there.

[DIAF]

see you there.

I'll be the guy checking you in for your work assignment. Don't be shy!

[Zinhead1]

Great track toy. '06 NA Exige?

Yes. It is setup for an aftermarket supercharger, but I do not feel the need for additional HP.