2013 Sonata: Manual down, price up.

[2.0T_Convert]

When it comes to cars however, the only reason for putting a set up like that is to make your otherwise plebeian car look "sporty". If they were really worried about keeping the rear clean, they'd have a single exhaust tackled underneath the bumper and you wouldn't even see it.

Marketing at its worst.

Because other people like something you don't.

Diva complex at its worst.

[caj1]

The Sonata SE proves you wrong.

If they rate their HP like they do their mileage, who knows.

[ABAcabby]

When it comes to cars however, the only reason for putting a set up like that is to make your otherwise plebeian car look "sporty". If they were really worried about keeping the rear clean, they'd have a single exhaust tackled underneath the bumper and you wouldn't even see it.

Marketing at its worst.

Money makes the world go round. It's pretty obvious to me that it doesn't NEED two exhaust tips and that this is a ploy to make the car look slightly more upscale. Complain if you want but you're preachin to the choir.

[J-Tim]

Because other people like something you don't.

Diva complex at its worst.

People like useless wings, porta-holes and stretched tires. There is even a name for those. Dual mufflers coming off a single catback is the same kettle of fish, only it comes as a factory standard.

[2.0T_Convert]

People like useless wings, porta-holes and stretched tires. There is even a name for those. Dual mufflers coming off a single catback is the same kettle of fish, only it comes as a factory standard.

So every car you own or owned has been a pure excercise in utilitarian function over form?

No exterior elements or interior addons just for the sake of comfort or style?

[mtb_jeremy]

V8 with a single exhaust?!?!? WTF?

[J-Tim]

So every car you own or owned has been a pure excercise in utilitarian function over form?

No exterior elements or interior addons just for the sake of comfort or style?

All of the cars I've ever owned had no bits put on for the sake of "faking it".

There is absolutely nothing that says stylish about fake dual-exhaust. As I said, the only reason why it's there is so your average joe can say that he owns a sporty car. It may bring more dosh to the car manufacturer, more power to them. The fact remains however is that fake scoops, porta-holes and dual exhausts are absolutely pointless and to those who are unfortunate enough to know a thing or two about cars are a massive eye sore.

[2.0T_Convert]

The fact remains however is that fake scoops, porta-holes and dual exhausts are absolutely pointless and to those who are unfortunate enough to have a giant stick up the butt these are a massive eye sore.

Fixed.

[invisiblewar]

Im just going to take a wild guess and say that the dual exhaust is there for aesthetic purposes. We're more attracted to things that have symmetry. There's some science papers out there somewhere that show when two objects that look almost exactly the same except one object is slightly asymmetric, even if not noticeable, we will favor the symmetric object. So this may be the push for some buyers who are on edge about purchasing the car.

And as far as performance and cost of the mufflers go...What is the percentage of sonata drivers that will be modifying their car? And how much would this second exhaust inhibit its performance? I'm sure the answer to both of these questions is negligible at most.

[J-Tim]

Fixed.

So, you do agree with me then. All set ups with single catback and dual mufflers are pointless, including your Golf's.

[J-Tim]

And as far as performance and cost of the mufflers go...What is the percentage of sonata drivers that will be modifying their car? And how much would this second exhaust inhibit its performance? I'm sure the answer to both of these questions is negligible at most.

If someone wanted a performance increase, the first thing to do would be to get rid of the second muffler.

[2.0T_Convert]

So, you do agree with me then. All set ups with single catback and dual mufflers are pointless, including your Golf's.

My Golf makes a cool farting sound. Your BMW only emits smug.

If someone wanted a performance increase, the first thing to do would be to get rid of the second muffler.

At the cost of the 2 extra hp the SE model has. Sure replace your SE muffler with a stock muffler from the GLS and reduce the cars performance!

[invisiblewar]

If someone wanted a performance increase, the first thing to do would be to get rid of the second muffler.

And what would the gains be? My car is set up the same and running a single exhaust doesn't provide any benefits. My car has a V6 if that makes any difference.

[J-Tim]

My Golf makes a cool farting sound. Your BMW only emits smug.

Wrong. My BMW converts petrol into noise.

[J-Tim]

And what would the gains be? My car is set up the same and running a single exhaust doesn't provide any benefits. My car has a V6 if that makes any difference.

Mufflers by nature restrict flow of exhaust gases. Adding an extra box makes things even worse.

[Merc-MarkO]

How often do you replace your mufflers?

I go through two sets of bearings per year.

[2.0T_Convert]

Mufflers by nature restrict flow of exhaust gases. Adding an extra box makes things even worse.

So Hyundai is basically BSing all of us. The SE really doesn't have 2 extra hp. All a huge lie

[caj1]

So Hyundai is basically BSing all of us. The SE really doesn't have 2 extra hp. All a huge lie

Probably.. the 2hp difference easily falls within the SAE correction factor

[invisiblewar]

I understand that before a car would have less horsepower in a single setup situation, but how does that explain no gain from my car when going from dual to single? Would every 4cylinder car with a dual exhaust (y pipe) benefit from going to a single exhaust setup

[hardcore4life]

Average Sonata buyers are old and most are women so no surprise it did not sell in manual transmission form

[J-Tim]

So Hyundai is basically BSing all of us. The SE really doesn't have 2 extra hp. All a huge lie

Either folks at Hyundai don't know the laws of physics or it's you. I suspect latter.

[Beanboy]

I understand that before a car would have less horsepower in a single setup situation, but how does that explain no gain from my car when going from dual to single? Would every 4cylinder car with a dual exhaust (y pipe) benefit from going to a single exhaust setup

No, at least not ones with turbos.

[J-Tim]

I understand that before a car would have less horsepower in a single setup situation, but how does that explain no gain from my car when going from dual to single? Would every 4cylinder car with a dual exhaust (y pipe) benefit from going to a single exhaust setup

A single less restrictive exhaust + appropriate headers will most definitely give you a performance advantage.

As I already said, the only reason why those two mufflers are there to begin with is to please marketing people.

[adrew]

I seem to remember that Honda used dual mufflers starting on the 1998 Accord V6 since it was quieter/more refined sounding than using a single muffler.



Subaru Outback had a similar setup (with hidden tips) for awhile, presumably for the same reason:

[DrFrisker]

one muffler dual outlet?

Mine is no wear near as shiny as this one, I havent polished it yet. Its the quietest for a car with a 3 foot exhaust system.

[Oliver@triplezoom]

Subaru Outback had a similar setup (with hidden tips) for awhile, presumably for the same reason:

I'd love to hear J-Tim's explanation for this setup...

[PlatinumGLS]

Exhaust is similar on our Regal Turbo.

That "dual exhaust" is nothing new, and it isn't limited to cars with an inline motor. The old LT1 Camaro/Firebird had a similar setup.

Actually, the stock LT1 F-body exhaust had one muffler:

[Prail11]

Yeah... Remember this is Hyundai HP.

[EvilGTI]

Got Duals?

[alvint@borla]

I'd love to hear J-Tim's explanation for this setup...

X2

[Oliver@triplezoom]

Actually, the stock LT1 F-body exhaust had one muffler:

Ah right. Still though, it "looked" like it had dual exhausts.

[NashGTI]

so it's gone from a discussion about the manual transmission, which was related to the original post, to a discussion about the pointlessness of the twin mufflers, which has nothing to do with the original post, that is the MOST pointless arguement in the world, it's not as if Hyundai invented the pointless dual exit exhaust.

Then it went to bashing the fuel economy, which is a special olympics arguement.

Hyundai manual transmissions are not all crappy, though the one in that Sonata definately is. The manual in the pre-2007 Elantra was actually pretty good, and I've liked the one in the new Accent/Veloster. The thing that irritates me about those, is I'm sure Hyundai will soon say nobody wants a stick shift Veloster because they haven't sold many when every Veloster we've received but the first two has been a dual clutch automatic.

[caj1]

Then it went to bashing the fuel economy, which is a special olympics arguement.

I love irony

[Pool Runner]

I seem to remember that Honda used dual mufflers starting on the 1998 Accord V6 since it was quieter/more refined sounding than using a single muffler.



Subaru Outback had a similar setup (with hidden tips) for awhile, presumably for the same reason:

This is the most correct answer yet. Several AWD cars were made with hidden dual exhuast outlets and mufflers not for aesthetics but function. In the case of the Accord it was to give the car a more tame exhuast note. As for the Outback and Audi A6 if the weight over/behind the rear axle is symmetrical or even the traction is greater and less likely to result in a one wheel peel.

As for sound goes a single exhuast is always way more burly sounding than a dual exit. My 5.0L '11 F-150 is may more mean sounding stock than the Ram 5.7L with the dual exhuast setup.

I'm more curious why manufactures bother with making those one side twin exit muffler like what you see on the A4 and 3'er.

[invisiblewar]

Since when is a misspelled word ironic? Spelling errors happen to some of the smartest people around.

Either way, it looks better with this exhaust setup. The manual didn't matter much, this really isn't the car for a manual anyways.

Oh and all this is just them copying some other company...