2013 Sonata: Manual down, price up.

[Dave Zero]

With the S2000, the two mufflers give the exhaust a duality that just isn't there with a single muffler. A single muffler on a S2000 drones and sounds cheap. It's mostly cosmetic though and my only point against the car.

I would rather have dual mufflers on a IL4 than fake hood and sidescoops on a V8 musclecar (mustang).

The Sti has quad exhaust off a 4 cyl.

[clutchrider]

The Sti has quad exhaust off a 4 cyl.

So does the WRX now. I'm happy with the dual tip on the GLI, while the GTI uses somewhat of a dual setup although it's more like a split dual tip exhaust than two separate muffles and piping.

[NashGTI]

I love irony

Oh my God, you pointed out a misspelling, now I look like a total idiot and moron



You got me good you facker



If you don't agree with what I said, cool, no problem here, but the fact is, that arguement has been done to death and it's just stupid. The fact is the cars ARE capable of hitting the EPA numbers if driven in a way that lets you hit the numbers, if you don't drive them that way, they won't.

[J-Tim]

I'd love to hear J-Tim's explanation for this setup...

I can't see what's going on here. Do we have two exhaust pipes or a single one ?

[J-Tim]

The Sti has quad exhaust off a 4 cyl.

How the hell did they manage to run FOUR exhaust pipes underneath the body ? I mean it's already tight enough down there as it is.

[c0mmon]

An I-4 with dual exhaust? Interesting..

Subaru? + eons ago

[CP1]

Don't think too many people are going to miss the MT on the Sonata, but the fact that Kia doesn't offer it on the Optima SX is silly.

A bit surprised to not see the revised, toned-down grill.

Smart move tho in moving the pana-moonroof onto the premium package.

[Oliver@triplezoom]

I can't see what's going on here. Do we have two exhaust pipes or a single one ?

Dual mufflers but with hidden tips. So clearly not done for aesthetic purposes.

[J-Tim]

Dual mufflers but with hidden tips. So clearly not done for aesthetic purposes.

So, a single pipe all the way through then ?

[Oliver@triplezoom]

So, a single pipe all the way through then ?

Since it's a flat four, I assume it is two pipes into a single one and then split into two mufflers.

[joe97]

Interesting article from Cars.com/Kicking Tire regarding M/T in the family sedan segment:

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...cking+Tires%29

I've summarized the article for the lazy - you are welcome

1) M/T take rate in the mid-size segment: ~4%
1a) Among all Sonatas sold last year in the US (about 226K units), only 1,725 of those were M/T - that's an astronomical 0.8% if my math is correct; no wonder it was canned, I mean, why bother!

2) Out of 13 midsize nameplates, less than half even offer a manual option (someone please check out of those, how many are offered from base to higher trims, my guess, 1 or 2 at most).

3) Improvement in the fuel efficiency on A/T trims vs. similar M/T trims cited as a reason for the low take rate.

[caj1]

Subaru? + eons ago

[caj1]

I seem to remember that Honda used dual mufflers starting on the 1998 Accord V6 since it was quieter/more refined sounding than using a single muffler.



Subaru Outback had a similar setup (with hidden tips) for awhile, presumably for the same reason:

Both cars have engines with two exhaust manifolds, so at least it makes sense.

[Oliver@triplezoom]

Both cars have engines with two exhaust manifolds, so at least it makes sense.

But in both cases they are not true dual exhaust systems.

[caj1]

But in both cases they are not true dual exhaust systems.

sorry, in theory it would make sense.

[Dave Zero]

I believe the Subaru goes 2-->1-->4

[VarianceVQ]

Bumped for golf strom boy.