8 second cars are fast

[scott_0]

Don't really classify 8.99 as a 8 sec car... Reaction time decides whether 8.99 or 9.00

oh dear god ...........................

[Chapel]

oh dear god ...........................

where was that dumb ass post?
I love when people think RTs are part of the ETs...

[stascom]

Everyone is so emotional. Is it that time of the month on the TCL?

[PolskiHetzen]

Well a top fuel dragster pulls about 4 to 5 Gs according to Wikipedia and you won't pass out till 7 Gs in a jet so, you're not quite going to pass out from a Mustang. And the speed of a bullet is about 680 miles per hour so the Mustang's not quite in the same range as being shot out of a gun.

But I do agree it's pretty cool to watch. I still think it's funny to call 8.99 seconds, 8 seconds. But hey it's not my sport. Next time I bench press 201 lbs I'm going to round it up to 300.

No you'd be benching 100s (like 9s) still since you just broke into the 200s (201 is the 8.99), but JUST, so you're not benching 200s, you're still doing 100s.

You really don't understand what's going on here at all.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Well, he said they were running 4s, so they would be like 7 second cars,

Wrong.. I was referring to Top Fuel dragsters, which run in the 4's in the 1/4 mile; as I grew up with a father who drove them, hence I lived at the drag strip growing up, and thus have a true appreciation for how fast lesser cars that run -12 second quarter mile times really are.

Ill say it again. A twelve second or faster car would make most of TCL literally shít themselves. And most in here wouldn't have the skill to keep something that powerful under control under full throttle launch, and acceleration; let alone be able to launch and control such a beast with any level of consistency.

Get into the sub 10 second range, and it takes a whole other breed.

[patrickvr6]

Shouldn't you be having the dealer change the oil in your bone stock bitch basket, while you take 100's of pictures of the other bone stock cars in the showroom or something?

[chris@revotechnik]

Mark 2 you got me there. No mark 3 gti badge had Golf on it. Think this was the conscientious over in those forums.

Not for the US market.. that is a mk1 first of all and mk1s in the US were rabbits not golfs.. All GTIs in the us have just been badged GTIs. They are not Golf GTIs in the US. Its still a golf but technically for the US vw does consider it a separate model.

[Juiced6]

5 pages of debating on what makes an 8 second car


if it covered 1,320ft or 1/4 of a mile in 8.99X seconds - it is an 8 second car period.

It did not take 9 seconds to get the job done.

At the track you will find many people will say their car runs high 8s or 8.70s-8.80s but that all depends on who you are talking too.

What about the Super Comp/Gas/Street guys. I know one guy who runs 8.90s at 185mph. How would you TCL know it alls describe that?
(hint - it runs deep in the 7s off the stop )

[oh noes! cars!]

I guess in any situation where fractions of a second are commonplace and also so very difficult to achieve; speaking in specific terms/times makes sense. If the weren't Hundreds of seconds separating some cars there wouldn't be a need to be really specific.

In drag racing, the difference between 8.99 and 9.00 is actually greater than most think.

[saron81]

That being said, come to the DSM Shootout here in Norwalk, OH every year and you'll see all the 8-9 second $3000 DSMs ... people don't realize how stupid cheap an automatic transmission build 4G63 is ...

8 seconds for $3000?

[VR6GTI72]

What about the Super Comp/Gas/Street guys. I know one guy who runs 8.90s at 185mph. How would you TCL know it alls describe that?
(hint - it runs deep in the 7s off the stop )

Are you referring to throttle stops/ electronics for the launch? If so, Id describe it as unimpressive at the starting line with an impressive trap speed at the finish line.

[71camaro]

Wrong.. I was referring to Top Fuel dragsters, which run in the 4's in the 1/4 mile; as I grew up with a father who drove them, hence I lived at the drag strip growing up, and thus have a true appreciation for how fast lesser cars that run -12 second quarter mile times really are.

Ill say it again. A twelve second or faster car would make most of TCL literally shít themselves. And most in here wouldn't have the skill to keep something that powerful under control under full throttle launch, and acceleration; let alone be able to launch and control such a beast with any level of consistency.

Get into the sub 10 second range, and it takes a whole other breed.

Wrong, I wasn't referring to anything you said Follow the thread, and watch who is quoted, you might get it

[C4 A6]

8 seconds for $3000?

It's possible. But 8 seconds is the also life of the car.

[blown_sixdub]

Not for the US market.. that is a mk1 first of all and mk1s in the US were rabbits not golfs.. All GTIs in the us have just been badged GTIs. They are not Golf GTIs in the US. Its still a golf but technically for the US vw does consider it a separate model.

Hmmm (americanized) .. not fligging poo here, but this topic is one of my pet peeves. I will agree that VWUSA marketing flip-flopped on how it was advertised when it first arrived here, however.

[Juiced6]

Are you referring to throttle stops/ electronics for the launch? If so, Id describe it as unimpressive at the starting line with an impressive trap speed at the finish line.

I am referring to a throttle stop

However you are incorrect on the unimpressive starting line. The cars 60' like normal then the stop kicks in to bleed off the time so it runs as close to 8.90/9.90/10.90 as possible

It is the closest thing to heads up racing on a budget as you are ever going to get imo

Also - it was aimed at those trying to claim an 8.9x car as not being a real "8 second car"
The fact that you know what I was even talking about tells me that you at least are familiar with drag racing to some degree

[seadoo2006]

It's possible. But 8 seconds is the also life of the car.

The DSM guys are quite a different breed ... there's so much second hand shiat on their market that they can find literally all the auto trannies, 4g63 blocks, and parts they can handle.

Plus, look at DSMs, they're dirt cheap if you know what to look for ...

http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/2994243547.html

^ That's a WHOLE LOTTA parts for $7000 ... now, don't buy new stuff, find some rusted to hell 1G or 2G shell, and throw in a junkyard motor with some decent pistons and rods and over boost the shiat out of it ...



^ My friend's Colt ... he has about $4000 into it, $1500 of which was the turbo ...

[Lithium Lotus]

John Shephard's 7 second 91 Eagle Talon. Street legal. His Ohio license plate reads "7 SEC AWD"

[seadoo2006]

John Shephard's 7 second 91 Eagle Talon. Street legal. His Ohio license plate reads "7 SEC AWD"

Shep's crazy though ... he usually has a ton of money into his builds ... that being said, a 7 second DSM is pretty legit any way you cut it. My favorite is when he blows up on the line.

[VR6GTI72]

I am referring to a throttle stop

However you are incorrect on the unimpressive starting line. The cars 60' like normal then the stop kicks in to bleed off the time so it runs as close to 8.90/9.90/10.90 as possible

It is the closest thing to heads up racing on a budget as you are ever going to get imo

Also - it was aimed at those trying to claim an 8.9x car as not being a real "8 second car"
The fact that you know what I was even talking about tells me that you at least are familiar with drag racing to some degree

For the record, Im not down playing comp category's. When I said unimpressive I was referring to the bogging the electronics do to dial it in. Not the 0-100mph in 2.xx seconds. You can tell on launch/ 60' the car can go quicker. They are consistent and pretty clean when it comes to oil downs /breaking. Since I have to clean that up Im all for them. Id say Im pretty familiar with drag racing. Around it for 30 years and working at tracks for 10 years. I dont claim to know everything, there is always something new to learn. I do enjoy talking about it though.

[Juiced6]

Shep's crazy though ... he usually has a ton of money into his builds ... that being said, a 7 second DSM is pretty legit any way you cut it. My favorite is when he blows up on the line.

when i talked to him at a NOPI event years ago he had 6 or 7 transmissions and 4 or 5 transfer cases on his trailer "just in case"

The transmission guy even admits those cars will eat their drivetrain after so many passes.

I had an 11 second DSM. very fun car even in the winter but they break a lot.

[Juiced6]

For the record, Im not down playing comp category's. When I said unimpressive I was referring to the bogging the electronics do to dial it in. Not the 0-100mph in 2.xx seconds. You can tell on launch/ 60' the car can go quicker. They are consistent and pretty clean when it comes to oil downs /breaking. Since I have to clean that up Im all for them. Id say Im pretty familiar with drag racing. Around it for 30 years and working at tracks for 10 years. I dont claim to know everything, there is always something new to learn. I do enjoy talking about it though.

we will probably get a long just fine then.

Brothers and myself got real serious about bracket racing about 5 years back. Lots of fun and met tons of great people too.

Currently race 70 Nova w/468 and an 80 Malibu with/327 (that has run in the 11.80s and always manages to piss off the LSX crowd )

Looking at doing a dragster just not sure on combination or to buy new or used etc.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Wrong, I wasn't referring to anything you said Follow the thread, and watch who is quoted, you might get it

Nope.. wrong again asshat. I just double checked; by tracing back all the quotes in the conversation. My original quote was misinterpreted by YOU...

[Air-over-water]

Wrong, I wasn't referring to anything you said Follow the thread, and watch who is quoted, you might get it

That can be said about most people.



*although some people do not quote who they are responding to which can cause a problem.*

[dunhamjr]

what else would it have?

plain manual

sequential manual

cvt

[71camaro]

I watched an ADRL event last weekend.

These 8-second cars now look sleep-inducingly slow

The ADRL guys were doing <4 second 1/8th miles at 200+ MPH

Though it doesnt apply to the car in question, you are forgetting that they get 4-5 positive Gs on launch and 4-5 negative Gs when the chute is pulled. All within 4 seconds. Its quite the stress on the body.



1/8th mile 8 second cars are slower than 1/4 mile 8 second cars. 8 seconds is flying in a 1/4 mile. Plus watching drag racing on tv takes longer than the actual pass due to cutting to different angles. You have to be there.

I work at a drag strip on the safety crew and seeing an 8 second car coming at you from the top end makes you appreciate just how much real estate they can cover. We had a 66 nova doing mid 8s last weekend ( just a test and tune/ bracket race) and you couldnt help but notice and appreciate how quick it was.

Well, he said they were running 4s, so they would be like 7 second cars,

Nope.. wrong again asshat. I just double checked; by tracing back all the quotes in the conversation. My original quote was misinterpreted by YOU...

Until the bottom, where are you in this

[taymk2]

You have no idea how wrong you are.

very wrong

[saron81]

The DSM guys are quite a different breed ... there's so much second hand shiat on their market that they can find literally all the auto trannies, 4g63 blocks, and parts they can handle.

Plus, look at DSMs, they're dirt cheap if you know what to look for ...

http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/2994243547.html

^ That's a WHOLE LOTTA parts for $7000 ... now, don't buy new stuff, find some rusted to hell 1G or 2G shell, and throw in a junkyard motor with some decent pistons and rods and over boost the shiat out of it ...



^ My friend's Colt ... he has about $4000 into it, $1500 of which was the turbo ...

I'm not saying it's not possible to build a 8 second DSM... just not for anywhere near $3000.
That Colt would probably need double the HP it has now to be in th 8's.

[RQ1]

[seadoo2006]

I'm not saying it's not possible to build a 8 second DSM... just not for anywhere near $3000.
That Colt would probably need double the HP it has now to be in th 8's.

I said 8-9 seconds ... I know quite a few backyard tuners that build 9.xxx second cars for pennies ... You can get in the 9s with off the shelf parts with a 1G DSM ... again, it may only last one or two runs, or it may blow up on the line, but $3000 buys you a SHIAT load of parts in DSM land. I can pick up a fully built, stroked to 2.2L, block for $350 right now off of a few people I know. The autotrannies can be had for under $500 ... I know of a couple rolling shells for a couple hundred bucks. Add in some miscellaneous parts and bam, you're there in the 9s.

Generally, the only large cost part you have is your turbo, and, if you have a choice of cheap used ones like many of the backyard tuners here, you could throw a 42r with only a small bit of shaft play in your car for another $400-500.

[RQ1]

[ThreadBomber]

Some of you make me wonder if you ever rode in a 14 sec vehicle, much less "know" how fast 8.99 really is.

When going that fast, .4 seconds may be the difference of 70-100hp...

Just to re-iterate this, when my car was running high 9's it made about 660 horsepower. To go 8.99 in a 3000 lb car, you need about 1000. To go 7.99, more like 1450 - 1500 and to go 6.99 more like 2000.

[Hawk]

If it covered 1,320ft or 1/4 of a mile in 8.99 seconds - it is an 8 second car period. It did not take 9 seconds to get the job done.

No it did not take 9 seconds to get the job done. Nor did it take just 8 seconds to get the job done. So it's not an 8 second car. It's an 8.99 second car.

Why is it okay to round down .99 seconds but not to round up .01 seconds?

You guys are funny.

[ThreadBomber]

No it did not take 9 seconds to get the job done. Nor did it take just 8 seconds to get the job done. So it's not an 8 second car. It's an 8.99 second car.

Why is it okay to round down .99 seconds but not to round up .01 seconds?

You guys are funny.

It's jargon. This is just what it means and how it is stated in the drag racing world. Just accept it and move on. If someone says they have an 8 second car you automatically know they run 8.xx. Just the way it is.

[Hawk]

It's jargon. This is just what it means and how it is stated in the drag racing world. Just accept it and move on. If someone says they have an 8 second car you automatically know they run 8.xx. Just the way it is.

Cool. Makes sense.

[hyperformancevw]

I know nothing about drag racing. And like I said, I'm not into drag racing.

True dat