Can you explain the term Gypsies for me?
They just seem like regular people without a permanent address, am I wrong?
Also you may have ended your thread with the worst possible choice.
I tried searching for this, didn't find anything. Post poorly built cars, that you have owned in your past from new! I will start with mine:
If you think you had badly built car, think again. Nothing beats East Europen car built in the 80's/90's.
When I was a kid my dad had purchased a Moskvich 21412, and it was the worst that he, and then me had owned ( I had it after him)
The car started rusting in its second years, so we had to replace fenders, sills, and trunk floor. The radiator wasn't big enough, so it will run hot quite often, we had to change the carburetor almost immediately with one from a Lada, the axles start knocking after 10,000 km.
In its third year we had first of many transmission failures. Countless times we were left stranded by this horror of a car.
At the end it we ended up selling it to the gypsies for scrap like this:
About the gypsies, i should not have used it, its a derogatory term, and yes, usually they don't have a permanent address. Thre is a lot to be said about their history:
A lot of them are in ths scrap business, due to circumstance,
The one thing that I don't get... is the people building Lada's, Moskvich, Wartburg etc had to drive them. Didn't they break down all the time on the workers own cars, their supervisors, the managers, the general public... I know it was quite a controlled environment in terms of the market for the cars, but still - wouldn't heads roll because the cars were completely terrible and left people stranded constantly.
You'd think people would know - yes this is junk, perhaps we need to make sure we make them better.
??? I work with a bunch of guys from Poland, Romania, Hungary, and have family from Ukraine... they were trained exceptionally well (all these Eastern Europeans know their trades very well - and do good work, and are just about the most helpful people you could ask for) and know quality work. They all learned it back home in Eastern Europe (well, it is well known the Eastern school system was actually advanced and excellent in general). They even talked about being excited about working on new projects and there was constantly work to do... they just said the pay was bad, and pretty much everyone knew how well the western world had it by the mid 70's to early 80's. I guess they just were all hatching plans to get the heck out of there.
The consensus from them all were the cars were terrible, but not everything made in the East was made badly... They say the cars were bad because the brilliant minds were designing power stations, weapons, space technology, chemical processing facilities, transit systems, and buildings... Basically the worst engineers were left to design things like cars . Probably is true.
In the 70's the quality was much better, compatable to western made cars ( well maybe slightly worse)
The Lada cars were pretty tough, so were the Moskvich and Volga cars. They were easy to mantain without the help of a shop. Skodas were allright as well. I had a Trabant, that hever left me stranded,
which doesn't say a lot, since its as simple as a moped.
Aftre the respective governments started to run out of money, the built quality declined. Keep it in mind that people were waiting 10-15 years for a car, so when they get it, they don't care - better than no car
Just the whole thing needed to be retighten by its new proud owner. In Bulgaria you wait the most for Lada - 15 years, then Wartburg, Skoda and Polski Fiat -12 years i think. Then you have Trabant, ZAZ and Fiat 126p with await of 8 years, and then Moskvich, which was 4 years, and then without a wait,
You can only dream to get a Volga
i spent half of my childhood in that car. as a kid that was my fathers first car that i remember.
tons of road trips, driving me to the grandparents for the summer, stuff like that.
not once did that car break down or left us stranded anywhere
edit: now that i think about it, it was also the very first car i got to steer, and few years later when i could reach the pedals i learned to drive on it
Last edited by romanl; 05-10-2012 at 08:24 PM.
I can't think of any new cars which are very poorly built ... hell, the new Kia Rio is pretty well built (almost as nice as my Civic from 2001 was). All the entry level cars I can think of are very well executed (Fiesta, Focus, Sonic, Cruze, Chrysler 200, Dodge Dart/Avenger, Civic, Fit, Corolla, Yaris, Golf) ... seriously, I can't think of ONE new car that is built shoddy or poorly anymore.
I bet you are Bulgarian, right? Anyway, the Soviet era cars were indeed total junk, so in my opinion those don't count.
From the modern day cars, I'd say pretty much anything made in China, Malaysia or Indonesia would have extremely poor built quality.
Not spec V, regular five speed. Fun car but quality was total crapola. For one it had a really bad buzz/rattle that would come from the dashboard above 4500 RPM. Luckily I didn't often have to rev that high because that 2.5 had such great low end torque. Just overall cheap materials and fit and finish, and a lot of electrical stuff broke like the fuel pump and something with the engine computer (the failed part had already been replaced in a recall). One thing related to the engine electronics went right after power train warranty ended and was like $600 bucks. Wish I had ****ed up my engine so it could have been totally replaced before the first recall, some people got a free new engine. Got rid of it for chump change but it was in crap condition by that time. Hopefully it didn't crap on the young couple who bought it. The guy was a mechanic so I think he knew it still had some life left.
I guess it was a plus living in Yugoslavia that we had a choice of Fiat,Zastava(basicly Fiat),VW and all the russian cars as well.
Zastavas where pretty good build quality, and w VW dominated the car market. By the fall of Yugoslavia, VW mustve been #1 car in the country.
Even now, mk2 Golf,espacially diesel will be priced the same as Alfa Romeo,Renault,Fiat that are 20yr younger.
"Your pants too tight,your wheels too bright"
As I've gotten older I've seen less and less Yugos and Zastavas and more VW's. I wouldn't be surprised if someone said they had a majority market share (VWG).
Hell, my best friend has a mk2 diesel that has been passed down through the family. For all its issues that thing still runs, even with 10 school windsurf boards and sails on the roof.
FYI TAS is a VW factory in Bosnia. They produced Golfs there in the 80s. Now its used for production of Scoda vehicles.
"Your pants too tight,your wheels too bright"
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