Ooo good come back ;] I'm sure a manual tranny makes it 6 seconds faster
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Ok you also mention another overpriced/underpowered car you own - Mini cooper... Even i assume it is a cooper S. It is a $24k car only comes with 180hp. Their 200hp version (works) start at $30k. And you have no problem with that... Anyone can get a 200hp Civic for $22k.
btw, 2 out of 4 of the cars (Golf and Mini) you own also look cute and have TONS female owners....
I just use 0-60 to show how fast the car in general
BRZ/FRS 0-60 around 6-7s = slow and under power, need to make post to alert others...
Mini Cooper S 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Golf R32 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Genesis coupe 2.0T 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Golf GTI 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Civic Si 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Ford Mustang 0-60 around 5-6s = HAVE TO OWN but you don't own one.... instead you prefer other under power choices
Camaro 0-60 around 6s = HAVE TO OWN but you don't own one.... instead you prefer other under power choices
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FR-S/BRZ is basically a Miata competitor...
Maybe it could be described as a RWD Celica descendent.
The closest living descendent of the Supra and the (pre-SC430) Soarer/SC is the IS-F. LF-A could also be argued, but that is more of a supercar as opposed to a GT sports car like the Supra or IS-F.
The Scion tC is pretty much what the last Celica was in non-GT-S trim. The last Celica was basically a Corolla with a sporty body, if I'm not mistaken; the GT-S was the Corolla XR-S's equivalent.
Top ten. How about that? Definitely top ten.
Yeah, so, um.. what were we talking about again?
Second, those rear seats also occupy a cargo area that was designed specifically to be able to hold four wheels. That's pretty damn convenient for someone who wants to drive their car to an auto-x or track day.
What I really appreciate about this car is that they actually really thought about what an average car-guy wants in a vehicle. The oft-compared S2000, while an excellent vehicle (yes with more power!) was a) a convertible, which meant it is not allowed on track with many clubs, and b) was not able to easily accommodate a set of track wheels inside the cabin.
The Toyobaru is designed for a specific niche - if that niche is not you, congratulations, there are lots of other cars out there that probably fit your needs.
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So R32 owners think the BRZ/FRS/FT86 is the not the new supra. You guys are ****ing geniuses.
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We all know there has been a lot of hype about this car. Having owned a R32 I find peoples posts on the new FRS Hilarious! First and foremost. Hate to break it to ya, but guess what. Brand spanking new car models don't have huge aftermarket support. Secondly to turbo a N/A engine requires tons of work. Even the STI version is going to be 250 N/A. Not to mention whether or not the Tranny or Engine Internals can take it.(Doubtful) So by all means I encourage all you fan boys to spend 25k on a new car to find out you need a another 10k-15K to keep up with a chipped GTI. Lol
As for handling just because it's rwd doesn't mean its a sports car. The only reason I could see somebody buying one is strictly cosmetic.. and that's when it hit me! The FRS is not a celica, nor a miata...don't be fooled. It's just another McLaren F1! They both just look fast.. lol If you want a real animal get a TT. I rest my case
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Lmao!!! Keep calling me names.. Every shot in the dark you take won't make your new car any faster. And this time try to pay close attention to my post. I never said my r32 is a god like supreme sports car. It's a perfect all around dd. Much more comfy than the cars I track. As for 0-60 times you sir have the intellect of a Neanderthal.(That means Caveman) Most cars are given tall 1st and 2nd gears to improve statistics on paper. That's why the new wrx is faster than the sti to 60. Keep in mind a good shift is .5 seconds on average. Making a 3rd shift to get to 60 slows you down, on a track it's completely subjective. Having a strong pull in 3rd is more important than going 0-60. As for my mini being 180Hp that as well is a silly argument.it's a Much lighter more rigid car. 10lbs of more torque and supercharged which leaves a decent amount of room for upgrades. 300hp seems to be the most I've ever seen SC. I picked my mini up for 12k used and spent the rest making it track ready. The thing tho is if my car was n/a and 800lbs heavier it would take a lot more effort to make it more than sporty. I'm going to get some sleep but let me leave you with this. Are you trying to convince me that this car isn't crap, or yourself?
To the car, no it is not defined for performance. But it is designed for good handling. "Performance" implies it has the "go" to match, which it does not.
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We understand, you don't like the FR-S/BRZ. Great. Good for you, nobody gives a damn but until now(yes, i've been keeping up with all your failure responses on anything fr-s/brz related over the last few months) you have provided absolutely 0, and i mean ZERO reason for your hate other than the lack of HP which has been addressed time, and time again.
Please, do us all a favour and at least change your username so you can maybe...just maybe gain a little more respect on these boards so that people might respect your opinion. BTW, that's a HUGE might
I have to agree and NOT categorize the FRS as a "sports car". Wait..but its RWD! well, just because it is RWD it does not mean sports car. Was the Nissan 240sx a sports car? Nope. FRS is just the same as the Celica..They are all "Sporty" cars. Besides its a Scion. Since when does Scion build sports cars? Same with the BRZ..(yes the make fast cars like the STI) but none are true "sports cars" and neither is the BRZ.
The main reason I like the brz/frs, and why i'm going to go test drive one next week to compare to my s2000...is that like the s2000 its better than any vw ever made, bar none, no rational argument can be made in opposition to that scientific fact...
and I've owned many a vw, no more...I like good cars now
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