Scion FRS/BRZ is the not the new Supra! Hidden identity revealed!!

[Air-over-water]

Hahah how stereotypical. You people never exceed my expectations. As for me being a biased r32 owner, think again. I don't wear DC shoes nor wear any brand of energy drink lol. My r32 is only 1/4 cars I own. I auto-x my mini cooper with FCSCC. The FRS is not a sports car. I think it's great that they came out with a rwd coupe. It's definetly overdue but here's the problem. The car industry has really stepped it up. V6 mustangs and camaros come 305-323 out of the box. If the FRS have a 50/50 weight distribution while weighing in at 2400lbs I'd be much more impressed. But as of right now it's over priced under powered and seriously over rated. It's cute tho :] I can see a good amount of girls buying into it. If you think I'm wrong, prove it. Just keep it off the streets and take it to the track. Oh and try to stay out of the passing lanes

Oh god you are that stupid....

[.:RAWR32]

Ooo good come back ;] I'm sure a manual tranny makes it 6 seconds faster

[TetsuoShima]

Ooo good come back ;] I'm sure a manual tranny makes it 6 seconds faster

No, but it does add additional weight and reduces the fun factor by a large margin. EVO usually releases good videos/comparisons but this one was just pathetic and a painfully obvious setup for their dislike of the car.

[Turbio!]

Hahah how stereotypical. You people never exceed my expectations. ]

Everything you say reveals not only your incredible arrogance, but the shaky fragility of a delicate ego that uses that arrogance and the negative attention from pissing people off to prop itself up. It's rather poignant, really. I imagine you're a rather meek type when you're interacting with people who are within the range of a punch. Does our attention validate you?

[Avus]

Hahah how stereotypical. You people never exceed my expectations. As for me being a biased r32 owner, think again. I don't wear DC shoes nor wear any brand of energy drink lol. My r32 is only 1/4 cars I own. I auto-x my mini cooper with FCSCC. The FRS is not a sports car. I think it's great that they came out with a rwd coupe. It's definetly overdue but here's the problem. The car industry has really stepped it up. V6 mustangs and camaros come 305-323 out of the box. If the FRS have a 50/50 weight distribution while weighing in at 2400lbs I'd be much more impressed. But as of right now it's over priced under powered and seriously over rated. It's cute tho :] I can see a good amount of girls buying into it. If you think I'm wrong, prove it. Just keep it off the streets and take it to the track. Oh and try to stay out of the passing lanes Lol

Still going full retard... you don't like FRS because for the same money you can get cars with more hp or performance like Genesis coupe, mustang, Megane RS260... But you are OK to get an overpriced Golf R32 instead of Impreza WRX STi or Lancer Evo which will rape your overpriced golf to kingdom come...

Ok you also mention another overpriced/underpowered car you own - Mini cooper... Even i assume it is a cooper S. It is a $24k car only comes with 180hp. Their 200hp version (works) start at $30k. And you have no problem with that... Anyone can get a 200hp Civic for $22k.

btw, 2 out of 4 of the cars (Golf and Mini) you own also look cute and have TONS female owners....

I just use 0-60 to show how fast the car in general
BRZ/FRS 0-60 around 6-7s = slow and under power, need to make post to alert others...
Mini Cooper S 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Golf R32 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Genesis coupe 2.0T 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Golf GTI 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Civic Si 0-60 around 6-7s = ok to own, np with it
Ford Mustang 0-60 around 5-6s = HAVE TO OWN but you don't own one.... instead you prefer other under power choices
Camaro 0-60 around 6s = HAVE TO OWN but you don't own one.... instead you prefer other under power choices

[gonzo08452]

HAHAHAHA

[dcmix5]

[Lifelong Obsession]

FR-S/BRZ is basically a Miata competitor...

Maybe it could be described as a RWD Celica descendent.

The closest living descendent of the Supra and the (pre-SC430) Soarer/SC is the IS-F. LF-A could also be argued, but that is more of a supercar as opposed to a GT sports car like the Supra or IS-F.



The Scion tC is pretty much what the last Celica was in non-GT-S trim. The last Celica was basically a Corolla with a sporty body, if I'm not mistaken; the GT-S was the Corolla XR-S's equivalent.

[302W]

FR-S/BRZ is basically a Miata competitor...

Which is fine with me. I've never really cared for the Miata or its competitors, but have always thought a cheap car built with the sole intention of being a simple and cheap drivers car would be cool to own. The FRS does all that and is attractive (imo) to boot.

[Lifelong Obsession]

Which is fine with me. I've never really cared for the Miata or it's competitors, but have always thought a cheap car built with the sole intention of being a simple and cheap drivers car would be cool to own. The FRS does all that and is attractive (imo) to boot.

Exactly. Neither the Miata nor the Toyobaru are "numbers" cars - they are about the precision of the driving experience. It seems like all the Toyobaru hype clouded people's expectations.

[SSLByron]

Recently banned regular, or sockpuppet for somebody who wanted to troll?

Or genuine R32 owner, perhaps. Many of them tend to derp on the same frequency as the aforementioned offenders.

Don't worry guys, some of my friends are R32 owners. I'm not an Rcist!

[GL Rican]

Id have you know that the Celica was the fastest car in NFS: Underground 2, Thank you very much!

[case m]

I'm glad that I lurk just enough to be a part of this excellent thread.

[Ixomeneus]

I'm glad that I lurk just enough to be a part of this excellent thread.

+1 for lurking...

I don't understand the need to whip out the peen and show your arse in a public forum all over an enthusiast-biased car...

[SSLByron]

+1 for lurking...

I don't understand the need to whip out the peen and show your arse in a public forum all over an enthusiast-biased car...

But, don't you see? He owns like the second coolest production Volkswagen ever made. That makes him somebody on this forum, you know? Well, maybe third coolest... or fourth. I dunno, is the Beetle RSI considered cool? And now the Golf R is out... maybe fifth coolest?

Top ten. How about that? Definitely top ten.

Yeah, so, um.. what were we talking about again?

[zhenya00]

my friend who has seen it in person... rear seats are for people without legs. "drivers" cars have 2 seats. not 2 +2 (half seats)

Two things about the rear seats. One, having them at all makes the car a lot more flexible, especially for what has to be the target demographic for this car - guys in their late twenties to mid thirties - exactly the age when many will have young kids who happen to fit perfectly in small back-seats.

Second, those rear seats also occupy a cargo area that was designed specifically to be able to hold four wheels. That's pretty damn convenient for someone who wants to drive their car to an auto-x or track day.

What I really appreciate about this car is that they actually really thought about what an average car-guy wants in a vehicle. The oft-compared S2000, while an excellent vehicle (yes with more power!) was a) a convertible, which meant it is not allowed on track with many clubs, and b) was not able to easily accommodate a set of track wheels inside the cabin.

The Toyobaru is designed for a specific niche - if that niche is not you, congratulations, there are lots of other cars out there that probably fit your needs.

[A.Wilder]

So R32 owners think the BRZ/FRS/FT86 is the not the new supra. You guys are ****ing geniuses.

[RogueTDI]

So anyone who doesn't like this car as much as you do has a small dick? You go around measuring dicks or something?

And no the FRS/BRZ is not a sportscar. It is a sporty coupe. "Sportscar" gets used so generally these days that people forget what it really is. And exciting is relative. Some people have different expectations.

Oh lay off the BS that "this car isnt a sports car." Seriously. There is no official definition of a sports car, and every tool who presumes to proclaim one invariably sounds like an idiot. And by most definitions, this car is easily defined as one. Designed from ground up with performance in mind. Compromises toward handling and performance over practicality.

[Inspector Detector]

We all know there has been a lot of hype about this car. Having owned a MK3 Supra I find peoples posts on the new FRS Hilarious! First and foremost. Hate to break it to ya, but guess what. Brand spanking new car models don't have huge aftermarket support. Secondly to turbo a N/A engine requires tons of work. Even the STI version is going to be 250 N/A. Not to mention whether or not the Tranny or Engine Internals can take it.(Doubtful) So by all means I encourage all you fan boys to spend 25k on a new car to find out you need a another 10k-15K to keep up with a chipped GTI. Lol
As for handling just because it's rwd doesn't mean its a sports car. The only reason I could see somebody buying one is strictly cosmetic.. and that's when it hit me! The FRS is not a supra, nor a miata...don't be fooled. It's just another Celica! They both just look fast.. lol If you want a real animal get a M1. I rest my case

You really got to the party late, if you're going to start comparing a car equipped with a 4 banger to a Supra. Although I'd have no problem picking the FR-S or BRZ over the old gas guzzling Supra.

[JuanManuelFangio]

We all know there has been a lot of hype about this car. Having owned a R32 I find peoples posts on the new FRS Hilarious! First and foremost. Hate to break it to ya, but guess what. Brand spanking new car models don't have huge aftermarket support. Secondly to turbo a N/A engine requires tons of work. Even the STI version is going to be 250 N/A. Not to mention whether or not the Tranny or Engine Internals can take it.(Doubtful) So by all means I encourage all you fan boys to spend 25k on a new car to find out you need a another 10k-15K to keep up with a chipped GTI. Lol
As for handling just because it's rwd doesn't mean its a sports car. The only reason I could see somebody buying one is strictly cosmetic.. and that's when it hit me! The FRS is not a celica, nor a miata...don't be fooled. It's just another McLaren F1! They both just look fast.. lol If you want a real animal get a TT. I rest my case

[RogueTDI]

Ooo good come back ;] I'm sure a manual tranny makes it 6 seconds faster

Haha. Look at the little 4 year old. Soo cute.

[RogueTDI]

Which is fine with me. I've never really cared for the Miata or it's competitors, but have always thought a cheap car built with the sole intention of being a simple and cheap drivers car would be cool to own. The FRS does all that and is attractive (imo) to boot.

[.:RAWR32]

Lmao!!! Keep calling me names.. Every shot in the dark you take won't make your new car any faster. And this time try to pay close attention to my post. I never said my r32 is a god like supreme sports car. It's a perfect all around dd. Much more comfy than the cars I track. As for 0-60 times you sir have the intellect of a Neanderthal.(That means Caveman) Most cars are given tall 1st and 2nd gears to improve statistics on paper. That's why the new wrx is faster than the sti to 60. Keep in mind a good shift is .5 seconds on average. Making a 3rd shift to get to 60 slows you down, on a track it's completely subjective. Having a strong pull in 3rd is more important than going 0-60. As for my mini being 180Hp that as well is a silly argument.it's a Much lighter more rigid car. 10lbs of more torque and supercharged which leaves a decent amount of room for upgrades. 300hp seems to be the most I've ever seen SC. I picked my mini up for 12k used and spent the rest making it track ready. The thing tho is if my car was n/a and 800lbs heavier it would take a lot more effort to make it more than sporty. I'm going to get some sleep but let me leave you with this. Are you trying to convince me that this car isn't crap, or yourself?

[SSLByron]

Are you trying to convince me that this car isn't crap, or yourself?

You started this giant river of forum diarrhea, not us.

[DJMRDARK]

Oh lay off the BS that "this car isnt a sports car." Seriously. There is no official definition of a sports car, and every tool who presumes to proclaim one invariably sounds like an idiot. And by most definitions, this car is easily defined as one. Designed from ground up with performance in mind. Compromises toward handling and performance over practicality.

The classic definition is a 2-door 2-seater. But a know it all like yourself already knew that, right? Of course you didn't. Lay off the name calling. It only makes you look like the idiot.

To the car, no it is not defined for performance. But it is designed for good handling. "Performance" implies it has the "go" to match, which it does not.

[zhenya00]

As for my mini being 180Hp that as well is a silly argument.it's a Much lighter more rigid car. 10lbs of more torque and supercharged which leaves a decent amount of room for upgrades.

Mini S; 172HP/2600+ lbs, 62/38% F/R
FRS; 197HP/2600+ lbs, 53/47% F/R

You're so stupid it hurts.

[RogueTDI]

The classic definition is a 2-door 2-seater. But a know it all like yourself already knew that, right? Of course you didn't. Lay off the name calling. It only makes you look like the idiot.

To the car, no it is not defined for performance. But it is designed for good handling. "Performance" implies it has the "go" to match, which it does not.

Riiight. So if it doesnt have your definition of "go to match" now, its not a sports car (and historically speaking, 6s to 60 is hardly lacking). And as has been ahown already here, plenty of pure bred sports cars dont meet your "definition" of sports car. No, i didnt know which definition of sports car you preferred to adopt, considering there is no official one.

[20aeman]

Mini S; 172HP/2600+ lbs, 62/38% F/R
FRS; 197HP/2600+ lbs, 53/47% F/R

You're so stupid it hurts.

FRS is 2800+ lbs brah.

[zhenya00]

FRS is 2800+ lbs brah.

Various sources state a range of 2600-2760.

Cooper S at high 2600's.

In any case, it doesn't change the point. If a Cooper S is fast enough, the FRS doesn't need to lose 400lbs to be enjoyable, especially with a 25hp advantage.

[TetsuoShima]

The classic definition is a 2-door 2-seater. But a know it all like yourself already knew that, right? Of course you didn't. Lay off the name calling. It only makes you look like the idiot.

To the car, no it is not defined for performance. But it is designed for good handling. "Performance" implies it has the "go" to match, which it does not.

you're a joke..like honest as big of a joke as peteGTI, teklord and der shaltwerks and jlp combined....like bigger than all those...the amount of failure and 0 car knowledge you have is so prevalent, so obvious, so stick out of a crowd batsh!t right in front of your face is incredibly sad and hilarious that you're still not banned.


We understand, you don't like the FR-S/BRZ. Great. Good for you, nobody gives a damn but until now(yes, i've been keeping up with all your failure responses on anything fr-s/brz related over the last few months) you have provided absolutely 0, and i mean ZERO reason for your hate other than the lack of HP which has been addressed time, and time again.

Please, do us all a favour and at least change your username so you can maybe...just maybe gain a little more respect on these boards so that people might respect your opinion. BTW, that's a HUGE might

[teklord69]

you're a joke..like honest as big of a joke as peteGTI, teklord and der shaltwerks and jlp combined....like bigger than all those...the amount of failure and 0 car knowledge you have is so prevalent, so obvious, so stick out of a crowd batsh!t right in front of your face is incredibly sad and hilarious that you're still not banned.


We understand, you don't like the FR-S/BRZ. Great. Good for you, nobody gives a damn but until now(yes, i've been keeping up with all your failure responses on anything fr-s/brz related over the last few months) you have provided absolutely 0, and i mean ZERO reason for your hate other than the lack of HP which has been addressed time, and time again.

Please, do us all a favour and at least change your username so you can maybe...just maybe gain a little more respect on these boards so that people might respect your opinion. BTW, that's a HUGE might

I have to agree and NOT categorize the FRS as a "sports car". Wait..but its RWD! well, just because it is RWD it does not mean sports car. Was the Nissan 240sx a sports car? Nope. FRS is just the same as the Celica..They are all "Sporty" cars. Besides its a Scion. Since when does Scion build sports cars? Same with the BRZ..(yes the make fast cars like the STI) but none are true "sports cars" and neither is the BRZ.

[bc]

Modified ones are showing up to track days already! I took this picture 4 hours ago.

The guy seemed to have no trouble with the S2000s, Roadsters and Z-cars.

Surprisingly quiet, though.

[WAR_GTI]

The main reason I like the brz/frs, and why i'm going to go test drive one next week to compare to my s2000...is that like the s2000 its better than any vw ever made, bar none, no rational argument can be made in opposition to that scientific fact...

and I've owned many a vw, no more...I like good cars now

[bbk]

3 pages. OP is better than I thought.

[302W]

Various sources state a range of 2600-2760.

The official sites have the FR-S at 2758 with a manual and Cooper S at 2668 again with a manual. Hardly an earth shattering difference there.